[Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on McNeil Island
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 9 14:47:15 PDT 2006
One question:
Was knowing that Joseph Duncan was a multiple child rapist and a registered
child molester, enough to keep him from killing five people in Idaho, (two
of which were children) IN ADDITION to the two boys he killed in Minnesota -
which is only saying that these are the ones they know about so far?
J :]
>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on
>McNeil Island
>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:34:00 -0700
>
>How far do you take this "lock them up and throw away the key" idea? Why
>don't we just kill them? Just shoot them in the head as we drag them out
>of the courthouse amidst the crowd noises and in front of the cameras?
>Better yet, let the victims do it.
>
>Isn't 25 years in jail and a permanent charge of multiple counts of felony
>rape on your record and being a registered sex offender enough? Should we
>have been beating Kevin Coe soundly the whole time or shocking him with
>electrodes or waterboarding him?
>
>If you don't believe in our justice system then we might as well be going
>after people with torches and pitchforks. How much has our society spent
>keeping just that one man in prison for 25 years? How much did we spend on
>the trial? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if he was let out and given
>a chance to become a benefit to our society rather than a drain upon it?
>
>I am not unsympathetic to the victims of his crimes. These issues don't
>have only one side and life is not black or white. We can't simply have
>him un-rape them and be done with it. We have to work within the
>constraints we have. Isn't it possible that 25 years in prison while being
>known to the world as a rapist is enough to teach someone not to reoffend?
>Are you certain that the victims of his crimes didn't move on with their
>lives a decade ago?
>
>Paul
>
>J Ford wrote:
>
>>"paid his debt to society"....just what does that mean? The women he
>>assaulted and the children Sitler assaulted will be paying the price for
>>these "men"s actions for years and years - mayhap their entire lives. Who
>>is going to let them out of the "prison" they have been put in? You think
>>Coe or Sitler pays for the counseling their victims have to go through.
>>No! Sitler, for instance, is paying $289 in court fees - no counseling
>>fees for the many,many children he hurt. *That* debt is paid by the
>>parents and us. Same with Coe's victims. He isnae paying for them, we
>>are through Victim's Fund. (Now before you jump, NO I am not suggesting we
>>get rid of that fund; I am merely pointing out that the taxpayer is paying
>>that debt FOR the criminal.)
>>
>>Coe has proven he has no remorse for his actions and refuses to even
>>recognize that what he did was wrong. Sitler has only admitted that he
>>"did not realize what he did was not acceptable" to the social norms.
>>These fools WILL commit crimes again - the only "service to society" they
>>have done was to reside in a state-sanctioned institution....with others
>>of their ilk. They are free to talk to these others and are verra open to
>>how others have done things; i.e., they will leave there a bit more
>>"educated" on how to commit their crimes and either avoid detection
>>completely or at least for a while. No matter what, they WILL reoffend
>>and they WILL "sentence" other women/children to a lifetime of hell.
>>
>>The commitment has NOTHING to do with HIS sanity but everything to do with
>>protecting society. If Coe/Sitler get out, they will, will, will
>>reoffend. Leaving him in jail or in an institution is the only way to
>>protect SOCIETY in general from their monstrous acts. Forget "their"
>>sanity.
>>
>>Sitler was charged with a FRACTION of the crimes he *admits* to committing
>>- he molests children. He does it because he likes it. Period. His type
>>of crime does not just go away when he "gets a second chance" it just
>>moves from one town to his next one, IF he is allowed to get out. This
>>guy has cases in several states...it is only in Idaho that he was charged.
>> Think he won't travel and start over again? *THINK* again.
>>
>>Same thing with Coe. Just because he got caught and charged with one or
>>two cases does not mean he did not commit others. Or that he won't again.
>>
>>Sexual offenders do what they do because people continue to "give them
>>second chances" to do them.
>>
>>A person KNOWN to have committed several rapes of women or children needs
>>to stay in jail. Period. I can tell you the people these creeps
>>assaulted would sleep better knowing they are there and it goes a long way
>>towards healing the victim.
>>
>>You seem to have forgotten the victim in your "debt to society".
>>Hopefully you will not be forced to put them first in your mind due to one
>>of your's becoming a victim at the hands of one of these "second chance"
>>guys.
>>
>>Don't forget - Joseph Duncan was a "second chance" parolee.
>>
>>
>>
>>J :]
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>>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on
>>>McNeil Island
>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:11:06 -0700
>>>
>>>I realize you're basically just getting in another dig at Sitler, but I'd
>>>like to look at this a bit more.
>>>
>>>Kevin Coe has paid his "debt to society", or will have soon. The
>>>question now is whether or not he needs to be committed for his own
>>>mental sanity. I don't know anything about McNeil Island, but I imagine
>>>that he is being studied to see if he is fit to return to normal life, or
>>>to see if he is a danger to himself or others from a mental-stability
>>>standpoint.
>>>
>>>He was caught, tried, convicted, and served his time. He deserves the
>>>chance to start over, as best he can. That's the foundation of our
>>>justice system, if you don't agree with it than you might as well just
>>>execute everyone who does so much as get a ticket for jay-walking.
>>>
>>>If I were him, I'd get the hell out of the Northwest. He'll still be on
>>>the Sex Offenders list, which will be a good thing for those in his new
>>>community, but maybe he'll have less extra crap flung at him somewhere
>>>else.
>>>
>>>I don't know about the Sitler case, I've heard so much ranting and raving
>>>about it here that I couldn't tell you if he was a saint or Satan, but if
>>>he was sentenced by a court of law he should be given the ability to
>>>reenter normal life after he's served his time without people taking it
>>>upon themselves to make his new life any more of a living hell.
>>>
>>>I guess my main question is: don't people deserve second chances?
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>J Ford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Coe transferred to special commitment center on McNeil Island
>>>>
>>>>SPOKANE, Wash.- South Hill Rapist Kevin Coe has been transferred to a
>>>>special commitment center at McNeil Island instead of the Spokane County
>>>>Jail. He left Spokane early Friday morning and arrived safely at noon.
>>>>A judge listened to arguments on behalf of Coe and granted him the
>>>>transfer. Coe will be moved back to Spokane County in time for a
>>>>probable cause hearing, in about 7 weeks.
>>>>
>>>>Coe's attorney sought - and were granted - a delay in the hearing on
>>>>whether to civilly commit him beyond his 25-year sentence for rape.
>>>>That hearing will now take place no October 30th. Prosecutors did not
>>>>object to the delay, but said they would not be willing to wait any
>>>>longer. Coe's lawyer said he needed more time to sift through the
>>>>mounds of documents related to his client's case.
>>>>
>>>>Does this not sound like Sitler being allowed to go outside the jail for
>>>>"treatment" until his parole in May 2007? When did things change to
>>>>where the criminal is allowed to dictate his sentence or place of
>>>>incarceration?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>J :]
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