[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Same Sex Marriage Debate pointless.

[Tony]

Paul, if the designation itself is improper, (gay "marriage") then any benefits, civil or otherwise, are also improper.

The way to get through this is to maintain the institution per the status quo.

Have a pleasant weekend,
-T
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Rumelhart 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Same Sex Marriage Debate pointless.


  So call them "Civil Unions", make them cover the secular aspects of "marriage" (such as death benefits, tax  breaks, etc), and make them relatively wide open for people to get.  Make it a policy that a "marriage" performed in the normal way automatically carries with it a "civil union".  Don't force any religion to have to marry two people of the same gender if it's against their doctrine to do so.  Limit civil unions to one per person and make them easy to stop when both parties agree on it.  The civil union would be a contract that would carry with it specific terms agreed upon by both parties on what it covers and how it may be dissolved.  In a way, it's just a more forceful prenuptual agreement.

  Let two people of the same gender get a civil union if they want to.  That way those who don't think it's a valid marriage shouldn't mind - they aren't married before any god in a spiritual sense, yet they get the same secular benefits that everyone else does.  Churches that don't have hangups about it can perform gay marriages, those that do can still feel huffily superior.

  The only way to get through this in my view is to separate the civil from the spiritual.

  Paul

  Tony wrote: 
    Bill, why would anyone bother attending a debate on such a completely unnatural and patently inappropriate concept as "gay marriage"?  There is, and never will be, any such thing.  Marriage was and always will be between a male and female for the purposes of providing a stable environment for the raising of offspring.  Must we continue to patronize these maladjusted freaks who would pervert society to reflect their own warped perspectives?

    -Tony
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bill London 
      To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
      Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:55 PM
      Subject: [Vision2020] Same Sex Marriage DebateTONIGHT!


      ASUI to host Same Sex Marriage Debate on Oct. 20th
        Moscow, ID - ASUI Vandal Entertainment will be hosting "Same Sex Marriage: A Civil Debate" on October 20th, 2006 at 8pm in the SUB Ballroom.  This event will feature two speakers: Glenn Stanton and John Corvino who are two opposing voices on this issue.  They plan on bring clarity and civility to this otherwise divisive topic.

         For more information about these speakers visit their website: http://www.kirklandproductions.com/ARTISTS/Same_Sex_Marriage_Debate-bio.html

        ASUI Vandal Entertainment has chosen to host this event in order to increase awareness about this sometimes-controversial subject.  We do not take a position, but instead encourage students to learn and enrich their experience at the University of Idaho by taking advantage of attending such events.  There will be 800 tickets available to the public.  Ticket prices will be $1 for UI Undergraduate Students and $2 for all others.  They are available for purchase at the UI SUB Info desk and there is a limit of four tickets per person.

        Based on available space, we will be providing the opportunity for student organizations to host an informational table outside of the SUB on the evening of the event.  If there are more than ten groups interested in hosting a table, we will choose ten groups randomly from a lottery.  If you are interested in having an informational table at this event, please email me at katien at sub.uidaho.edu with (1) name, (2) title of organization, and (3) contact information if chosen to host a table.  There will be no costs associated with hosting a table at this event.

        ASUI Vandal Entertainment is part of the Associated Students of the University of Idaho. They have sponsored recent lecture/performing arts events such as Mythbusters, Jon Reep, Rob Corddry and NBC's Last Comic Standing Josh Blue.  ASUI Vandal Entertainment also sponsors large concerts, films, small concerts and more. For more information about upcoming ASUI Vandal Entertainment events, visit www.asui.uidaho.edu/vandalentertainment. 









--------------------------------------------------------------------------
      =======================================================
       List services made available by First Step Internet, 
       serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
                     http://www.fsr.net                       
                mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
      =======================================================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=======================================================
 List services made available by First Step Internet, 
 serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
               http://www.fsr.net                       
          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  =======================================================
   List services made available by First Step Internet, 
   serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
                 http://www.fsr.net                       
            mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
  =======================================================
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20061021/b03dbd36/attachment.htm