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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul, if the designation itself is improper, (gay
"marriage") then any benefits, civil or otherwise, are also
improper.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The way to get through this is to maintain the
institution per the status quo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have a pleasant weekend,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-T</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 20, 2006 8:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Same
Sex Marriage Debate pointless.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>So call them "Civil Unions", make them cover the secular
aspects of "marriage" (such as death benefits, tax breaks, etc), and
make them relatively wide open for people to get. Make it a policy that
a "marriage" performed in the normal way automatically carries with it a
"civil union". Don't force any religion to have to marry two people of
the same gender if it's against their doctrine to do so. Limit civil
unions to one per person and make them easy to stop when both parties agree on
it. The civil union would be a contract that would carry with it
specific terms agreed upon by both parties on what it covers and how it may be
dissolved. In a way, it's just a more forceful prenuptual
agreement.<BR><BR>Let two people of the same gender get a civil union if they
want to. That way those who don't think it's a valid marriage shouldn't
mind - they aren't married before any god in a spiritual sense, yet they get
the same secular benefits that everyone else does. Churches that don't
have hangups about it can perform gay marriages, those that do can still feel
huffily superior.<BR><BR>The only way to get through this in my view is to
separate the civil from the spiritual.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Tony wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill, why would anyone bother attending a
debate on such a completely unnatural and patently inappropriate concept as
"gay marriage"? There is, and never will be, any such thing.
Marriage was and always will be between a male and female for the purposes
of providing a stable environment for the raising of offspring. Must
we continue to patronize these maladjusted freaks who would pervert society
to reflect their own warped perspectives?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Tony</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=london@moscow.com href="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill London</A>
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<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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Friday, October 20, 2006 2:55 PM</DIV>
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[Vision2020] Same Sex Marriage DebateTONIGHT!</DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">ASUI to host Same Sex Marriage
Debate on Oct. 20th<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-STYLE: italic">Moscow</SPAN></FONT></I></ST1:CITY><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">, <ST1:STATE
w:st="on">ID</ST1:STATE></SPAN></I></ST1:PLACE><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"> – </SPAN></I>ASUI Vandal Entertainment will
be hosting “Same Sex Marriage: A Civil Debate” on October
20<SUP>th</SUP>, 2006 at 8pm in the SUB Ballroom. This event will
feature two speakers: Glenn Stanton and John Corvino who are two
opposing voices on this issue. They plan on bring clarity and
civility to this otherwise divisive topic.<O:P></O:P></P>
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more information about these speakers visit their website:
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style="COLOR: rgb(0,35,233); FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">http://www.kirklandproductions.com/ARTISTS/Same_Sex_Marriage_Debate-bio.html</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">ASUI Vandal
Entertainment has chosen to host this event in order to increase
awareness about this sometimes-controversial subject. We do not
take a position, but instead encourage students to learn and enrich
their experience at the <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACETYPE
w:st="on">University</ST1:PLACETYPE> of <ST1:PLACENAME
w:st="on">Idaho</ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE> by taking advantage of
attending such events. There will be 800 tickets available to the
public. Ticket prices will be $1 for UI Undergraduate Students and
$2 for all others. They are available for purchase at the UI SUB
Info desk and there is a limit of four tickets per
person.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Based on
available space, we will be providing the opportunity for student
organizations to host an informational table outside of the SUB on the
evening of the event. If there are more than ten groups interested
in hosting a table, we will choose ten groups randomly from a
lottery. If you are interested in having an informational table at
this event, please email me at </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Helvetica><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><A
href="mailto:katien@sub.uidaho.edu"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#0023e9><SPAN
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with (1) name, (2) title of organization, and (3) contact information if
chosen to host a table. There will be no costs associated with
hosting a table at this event.<O:P></O:P></P>
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Entertainment is part of the Associated Students of the <ST1:PLACE
w:st="on"><ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">University</ST1:PLACETYPE> of
<ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Idaho</ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE>. They have
sponsored recent lecture/performing arts events such as Mythbusters, Jon
Reep, Rob Corddry and NBC’s Last Comic Standing Josh Blue. ASUI
Vandal Entertainment also sponsors large concerts, films, small concerts
and more. For more information about upcoming ASUI Vandal Entertainment
events, visit <A
href="http://www.asui.uidaho.edu/vandalentertainment">www.asui.uidaho.edu/vandalentertainment</A>.
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