[Vision2020] Family Housing flooded: Re; school facilities di scussion

Wed Mar 29 17:29:56 PST 2006

Chris,

 I have no doubt, having seen the damage myself, that  the water overflowed and that was horrible planning to build there  under those circumstances. But it will not happen again, the University  widened the channel and moved it over. They are not going to let their  15 million dollar recreation center and 20 million dollar new student  housing units get wet. And even if the insurance companies did not make  them insure it was flood safe, they would be the ones to pay for it,  not the taxpayer.

  Take Care,

  _DJA

Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us> wrote:                  v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}                  st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                    Donovan,
    Paradise  Creek more than overflowed on that site, it poured in.  I know, I  was there.   The bottom rooms were flooded up a couple of  feet and there was significant erosion around the southern most portion  of the western complex.  It was a mess.   West Park’s  southern wall was exposed to flood water and held.  The contour of  the land around the building directed water back to the creek and off  the playground.  
    The new channel protects the Rec. Center,  the Towers, the Wallace Complex and will keep the creek from backing up  too much above the power plant site.  The wide flood channel  between 8th street  and Highway 95 next to the large parking lot will also hold a lot more  water than it used to but still that area will still back up given a  big enough flood as that land is only a few feet above the creek.   On the latest FEMA flood plain map of Moscow  I can guarantee the old apartment location is in the 100 year flood plain. 
    If  I were a planner for the UI, MSD, or the City, I would just avoid  further development in that area and leave it as park land, why take a  chance and mess up.  All the flood channels, landscape sculpting,  and so forth cannot stop what occurs naturally.
    Chris

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    From: Donovan Arnold  [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006  4:05 PM
  To: Chris Storhok; 'J Ford'; vision2020 at moscow.com
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Famiy  Housing flooded: Re; school facilities discussion

    Chris and others,

  I use to be the student representative for family housing, which  included the flooded housing units (the second floor was still occupied  for a while after the flooding). 

 The reason that the family  housing units flooded was because the creek overflowed and leaked into  the bottom floors. Since that time, the University has significantly  widened and redirected the channel so that it will not flood again.  They had to do this before building the Student Recreation   Center building just  across the street.

  _DJA

  Chris Storhok  <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us> wrote:
    If I remember correctly the apartments were classified as sitting in he
  flood way (as the flood confirmed) and just about the only new construction
  which could go there was parking. Otherwise the UI would have had to build
  a flood channel similar to what is in front of the rec. center; that cost
  plus the small bit of land available made anything but a parking lot too
  expensive. 
  To me, the best use of the site of West   Park is park lands; the  building is
  in a flood plain, the land is tied up as LWCF, and the soils are too swampy
  to support a tall structure in that location. Turn the site into a kids
  football/soccer field.

  Chris

  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  On Behalf Of J Ford
  Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:26 PM
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion

  Geez....I am SO sorry for that....but your reply made me laugh! Thanks - I 
  needed that. Now, if I see you walking on Twin Lakes  or across the 
  Gastineau - "I'm outa here!"

  Ok about that, but didn't the land that housed the apartments fall under 
  that? They turned that area into a parking lot. Seems to me Tom Trail  
  could come up with something that would allow something to happen.

  Miss Keely - does MSD OWN that land or is it also a "rental" area  from the 
  LWCF? Would MSD even be interested in selling it?

  I really like the idea of one new school on Joseph - the building would last

  for at least 100(?) years or better, it would put it close to the Junior 
  High and High School, it would also be closer to the other elementary 
  schools. A lot of kids do walk now, but a lot more are bussed (verification

  on that one?) and so it may not be that large of deal in that respect.

  A new building would allow for new technology to be there from the get-go, 
  which would benefit the kids in the long run. I am sure the teachers would 
  appreciate not having to deal with "older building" issues they have  now, 
  leaving more time and possilby money for the education of our little guys.

  MY thoughts.

  J :]

  >From: Chris Storhok 
  >To: 'J Ford' 
,  vision2020 at moscow.com
  >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
  >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:10:48 -0900
  >
  >There are those who think I have a calling; however, I doubt it is that
  >supreme.
  >You are forgiven....hmmm feels kind of good...(except the "end"  stinks, I 
  >am
  >rather adverse to nails in the palms and feet)
  >
  >Anyway, the ice rink group just wanted to use the site under a long term
  >lease, but it did not work out.
  >
  >The UI would have to preserve the grounds as a park as well, their land
  >grant status would not trump LWCF. As you well know each new UI lands
  >administrator states they want the West Park  site until they crack the file
  >and realize they can't have it except as a park.
  >Chris
  >
  >
  >
  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  >On Behalf Of J Ford
  >Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:57 AM
  >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
  >
  >YEOW!!!! What a HUGE mistake that was....I meant to say  "CHRIS"..sorry
  >about that....typed too fast for my own good.
  >
  >Hope everyone forgives me for that...especially you, Chris.
  >
  >Mia Cuppa!!!
  >
  >J :]
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > >From: "J Ford" 

> >To: cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us, vision2020 at moscow.com
  > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
  > >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:48:36 -0800
  > >
  > >Chris (good to hear from you, Man!)
  > >
  > >Were they asking to "buy" the land or just use it? Does that  make any
  > >difference? Couldn't UI work with them on that issue? Seems like they
  > >should be able to since UI is Land Grant also - or am I wrong on that 
  >one?
  > >
  > >J :]
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >>From: Chris Storhok 
  > >>To: 'J Ford' 

> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school  facilities discussion
  > >>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:43:48 -0900
  > >>
  > >>J,
  > >>One thought, West   Park's playground is  forever tied up under terms of a
  > >>Land
  > >>Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) grant, it will take an act of  Congress to
  > >>release it. When I was working for the county we looked for a  better
  > >>spot
  > >>for the ice rink and looked at the sit of the old pool,  unfortunately 
  >the
  > >>LWCF restrictions kept that from occurring.
  > >>Chris
  > >>
  > >>-----Original Message-----
  > >>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
  >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  > >>On Behalf Of J Ford
  > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:39 AM
  > >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  > >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
  > >>
  > >>Use Russell as the new home for PCRH (that way the HS students in  need 
  >of
  > >>the services of PCRH could easily get to it and those from PCRH  could do
  > >>likewise with the HS so close), use West Park  as a "transition school",
  > >>build another - larger elementary school on Joseph Street that could 
  >house
  > >>k-6th graders, making the move to the Junior High easier. Once  West 
  >Park
  > >>is
  > >>
  > >>not longer needed, sell it to the UI/any tech college that would  like to
  > >>use
  > >>
  > >>it (NSA? You wouldn't need a CUP for that one!)
  > >>
  > >>Whatever monies were garnered from the sale of West Park  could go 
  >towards
  > >>updating or "earnest" money towards the building of a new  High School.
  > >>
  > >>I agree - a school on every corner is not going to happen anytime  soon.
  > >>
  > >>Thoughts?
  > >>
  > >>J :]
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> >From: "Area Man" 
  > >> >To: 
  > >> >Subject: [Vision2020] school  facilities discussion
  > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:50:05 -0800
  > >> >
  > >> >Maybe I've missed it in all the posts about elections and  super
  > >> >wal-marts and various other topics, but I haven't seen much  discussion
  > >> >on the Vizzz regarding school facilities (this time around).
  > >> >
  > >> >I'll get the ball rolling (love it or hate it) --
  > >> >
  > >> >Sell off West   Park and Russell, build a  new elementary school at the
  > >> >Joseph Street  property, send those kids there.
  > >> >
  > >> >Some things that *might* happen in this process:
  > >> >- the U of I purchases the West Park  property
  > >> >- *someone* buys the Russell property and builds the  high-rise condos
  > >> >that some citizens told the New Cities people we wanted,  maybe even
  > >> >using the old school for part of that.
  > >> >- that makes some money for the SD to build the new school  with (not 
  >all
  > >> >of it, of course).
  > >> >
  > >> >Issues?
  > >> >- Kids that walk to Russell will have to hoof it to McDonald  or Lena, 
  >or
  > >> >take a bus (not really a problem with West Park,  since I think most 
  >all
  > >> >the kids ride buses there already).
  > >> >- all the schools even farther over on the east side of Moscow. It
  > >> >would be nice to have one at each corner of town, but I don't  see that
  > >> >happening.
  > >> >
  > >> >This still doesn't fix the problems with the High School, but  that's 
  >for
  > >> >another time. Baby steps . . .
  > >> >
  > >> >As Tom Hansen would say, "Thoughts?"
  > >> >
  > >> >DC
  > >> >
  > >> >
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