[Vision2020] Family Housing flooded: Re; school facilities di scussion

Wed Mar 29 17:18:18 PST 2006

Donovan,

Paradise Creek more than overflowed on that site, it poured in.  I know, I
was there.   The bottom rooms were flooded up a couple of feet and there was
significant erosion around the southern most portion of the western complex.
It was a mess.   West Park's southern wall was exposed to flood water and
held.  The contour of the land around the building directed water back to
the creek and off the playground.  

The new channel protects the Rec. Center, the Towers, the Wallace Complex
and will keep the creek from backing up too much above the power plant site.
The wide flood channel between 8th street and Highway 95 next to the large
parking lot will also hold a lot more water than it used to but still that
area will still back up given a big enough flood as that land is only a few
feet above the creek.  On the latest FEMA flood plain map of Moscow I can
guarantee the old apartment location is in the 100 year flood plain. 

If I were a planner for the UI, MSD, or the City, I would just avoid further
development in that area and leave it as park land, why take a chance and
mess up.  All the flood channels, landscape sculpting, and so forth cannot
stop what occurs naturally.

Chris

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From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:05 PM
To: Chris Storhok; 'J Ford'; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Famiy Housing flooded: Re; school facilities
discussion

Chris and others,

I use to be the student representative for family housing, which included
the flooded housing units (the second floor was still occupied for a while
after the flooding). 

The reason that the family housing units flooded was because the creek
overflowed and leaked into the bottom floors. Since that time, the
University has significantly widened and redirected the channel so that it
will not flood again. They had to do this before building the Student
Recreation Center building just across the street.

_DJA

Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us> wrote:

If I remember correctly the apartments were classified as sitting in he
flood way (as the flood confirmed) and just about the only new construction
which could go there was parking. Otherwise the UI would have had to build
a flood channel similar to what is in front of the rec. center; that cost
plus the small bit of land available made anything but a parking lot too
expensive. 
To me, the best use of the site of West Park is park lands; the building is
in a flood plain, the land is tied up as LWCF, and the soils are too swampy
to support a tall structure in that location. Turn the site into a kids
football/soccer field.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of J Ford
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:26 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion

Geez....I am SO sorry for that....but your reply made me laugh! Thanks - I 
needed that. Now, if I see you walking on Twin Lakes or across the 
Gastineau - "I'm outa here!"

Ok about that, but didn't the land that housed the apartments fall under 
that? They turned that area into a parking lot. Seems to me Tom Trail 
could come up with something that would allow something to happen.

Miss Keely - does MSD OWN that land or is it also a "rental" area from the 
LWCF? Would MSD even be interested in selling it?

I really like the idea of one new school on Joseph - the building would last

for at least 100(?) years or better, it would put it close to the Junior 
High and High School, it would also be closer to the other elementary 
schools. A lot of kids do walk now, but a lot more are bussed (verification

on that one?) and so it may not be that large of deal in that respect.

A new building would allow for new technology to be there from the get-go, 
which would benefit the kids in the long run. I am sure the teachers would 
appreciate not having to deal with "older building" issues they have now, 
leaving more time and possilby money for the education of our little guys.

MY thoughts.

J :]

>From: Chris Storhok 
>To: 'J Ford' , vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:10:48 -0900
>
>There are those who think I have a calling; however, I doubt it is that
>supreme.
>You are forgiven....hmmm feels kind of good...(except the "end" stinks, I 
>am
>rather adverse to nails in the palms and feet)
>
>Anyway, the ice rink group just wanted to use the site under a long term
>lease, but it did not work out.
>
>The UI would have to preserve the grounds as a park as well, their land
>grant status would not trump LWCF. As you well know each new UI lands
>administrator states they want the West Park site until they crack the file
>and realize they can't have it except as a park.
>Chris
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of J Ford
>Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:57 AM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
>
>YEOW!!!! What a HUGE mistake that was....I meant to say "CHRIS"..sorry
>about that....typed too fast for my own good.
>
>Hope everyone forgives me for that...especially you, Chris.
>
>Mia Cuppa!!!
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
> >From: "J Ford" 
> >To: cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
> >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:48:36 -0800
> >
> >Chris (good to hear from you, Man!)
> >
> >Were they asking to "buy" the land or just use it? Does that make any
> >difference? Couldn't UI work with them on that issue? Seems like they
> >should be able to since UI is Land Grant also - or am I wrong on that 
>one?
> >
> >J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Chris Storhok 
> >>To: 'J Ford' 
> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
> >>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:43:48 -0900
> >>
> >>J,
> >>One thought, West Park's playground is forever tied up under terms of a
> >>Land
> >>Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) grant, it will take an act of Congress to
> >>release it. When I was working for the county we looked for a better
> >>spot
> >>for the ice rink and looked at the sit of the old pool, unfortunately 
>the
> >>LWCF restrictions kept that from occurring.
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >>On Behalf Of J Ford
> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:39 AM
> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
> >>
> >>Use Russell as the new home for PCRH (that way the HS students in need 
>of
> >>the services of PCRH could easily get to it and those from PCRH could do
> >>likewise with the HS so close), use West Park as a "transition school",
> >>build another - larger elementary school on Joseph Street that could 
>house
> >>k-6th graders, making the move to the Junior High easier. Once West 
>Park
> >>is
> >>
> >>not longer needed, sell it to the UI/any tech college that would like to
> >>use
> >>
> >>it (NSA? You wouldn't need a CUP for that one!)
> >>
> >>Whatever monies were garnered from the sale of West Park could go 
>towards
> >>updating or "earnest" money towards the building of a new High School.
> >>
> >>I agree - a school on every corner is not going to happen anytime soon.
> >>
> >>Thoughts?
> >>
> >>J :]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Area Man" 
> >> >To: 
> >> >Subject: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion
> >> >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:50:05 -0800
> >> >
> >> >Maybe I've missed it in all the posts about elections and super
> >> >wal-marts and various other topics, but I haven't seen much discussion
> >> >on the Vizzz regarding school facilities (this time around).
> >> >
> >> >I'll get the ball rolling (love it or hate it) --
> >> >
> >> >Sell off West Park and Russell, build a new elementary school at the
> >> >Joseph Street property, send those kids there.
> >> >
> >> >Some things that *might* happen in this process:
> >> >- the U of I purchases the West Park property
> >> >- *someone* buys the Russell property and builds the high-rise condos
> >> >that some citizens told the New Cities people we wanted, maybe even
> >> >using the old school for part of that.
> >> >- that makes some money for the SD to build the new school with (not 
>all
> >> >of it, of course).
> >> >
> >> >Issues?
> >> >- Kids that walk to Russell will have to hoof it to McDonald or Lena, 
>or
> >> >take a bus (not really a problem with West Park, since I think most 
>all
> >> >the kids ride buses there already).
> >> >- all the schools even farther over on the east side of Moscow. It
> >> >would be nice to have one at each corner of town, but I don't see that
> >> >happening.
> >> >
> >> >This still doesn't fix the problems with the High School, but that's 
>for
> >> >another time. Baby steps . . .
> >> >
> >> >As Tom Hansen would say, "Thoughts?"
> >> >
> >> >DC
> >> >
> >> >
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