Chris,<br> <br> I have no doubt, having seen the damage myself, that the water overflowed and that was horrible planning to build there under those circumstances. But it will not happen again, the University widened the channel and moved it over. They are not going to let their 15 million dollar recreation center and 20 million dollar new student housing units get wet. And even if the insurance companies did not make them insure it was flood safe, they would be the ones to pay for it, not the taxpayer.<br> <br> Take Care,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Chris Storhok <cstorhok@co.fairbanks.ak.us></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VM!
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</o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Donovan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Paradise Creek more than overflowed on that site, it poured in. I know, I was there. The bottom rooms were flooded up a couple of feet and there was significant erosion around the southern most portion of the western complex. It was a mess. <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>’s southern wall was exposed to flood water and held. The contour of the land around the building directed water back to the creek !
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the playground. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The new channel protects the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Rec.</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, the Towers, the Wallace Complex and will keep the creek from backing up too much above the power plant site. The wide flood channel between <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">8<sup>th</sup> street</st1:address></st1:Street> and Highway 95 next to the large parking lot will also hold a lot more water than it used to but still that area will still back up given a big enough flood as that land is only a few feet above the creek. On the latest FEMA flood plain map of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> I can guarantee the old apartment location is in the 100 year flood plain.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">If I were a planner for the UI, MSD, or the City, I would just avoid further development in that area and leave it as park land, why take a chance and mess up. All the flood channels, landscape sculpting, and so forth cannot stop what occurs naturally.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2"
width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:05 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Chris Storhok; 'J Ford'; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">vision2020@moscow.com</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] Famiy Housing flooded: Re; school facilities discussion</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Chris and others,<!
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I use to be the student representative for family housing, which included the flooded housing units (the second floor was still occupied for a while after the flooding). <br> <br> The reason that the family housing units flooded was because the creek overflowed and leaked into the bottom floors. Since that time, the University has significantly widened and redirected the channel so that it will not flood again. They had to do this before building the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Student</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Recreation</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> building just across the street.<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Chris Storhok <cstorhok@co.fairbanks.ak.us></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If I remember correctl!
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apartments were classified as sitting in he<br> flood way (as the flood confirmed) and just about the only new construction<br> which could go there was parking. Otherwise the UI would have had to build<br> a flood channel similar to what is in front of the rec. center; that cost<br> plus the small bit of land available made anything but a parking lot too<br> expensive. <br> To me, the best use of the site of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> is park lands; the building is<br> in a flood plain, the land is tied up as LWCF, and the soils are too swampy<br> to support a tall structure in that location. Turn the site into a kids<br> football/soccer field.<br> <br> Chris<br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br> On Behalf Of J Ford<br> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:26 PM<br> To:
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">vision2020@moscow.com</st1:PersonName><br> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion<br> <br> Geez....I am SO sorry for that....but your reply made me laugh! Thanks - I <br> needed that. Now, if I see you walking on <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Twin</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Lakes</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> or across the <br> Gastineau - "I'm outa here!"<br> <br> Ok about that, but didn't the land that housed the apartments fall under <br> that? They turned that area into a parking lot. Seems to me <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Tom</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Trail</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> <br> could come up with something that would allow something to happen.<br> <br> Miss Keely - does MSD OWN that land or is it also a "rental" area from the <br> LWCF? Would MSD even be interested in selling it?<br> <br> I really like the idea of one new school on Joseph!
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building would last<br> <br> for at least 100(?) years or better, it would put it close to the Junior <br> High and High School, it would also be closer to the other elementary <br> schools. A lot of kids do walk now, but a lot more are bussed (verification<br> <br> on that one?) and so it may not be that large of deal in that respect.<br> <br> A new building would allow for new technology to be there from the get-go, <br> which would benefit the kids in the long run. I am sure the teachers would <br> appreciate not having to deal with "older building" issues they have now, <br> leaving more time and possilby money for the education of our little guys.<br> <br> MY thoughts.<br> <br> J :]<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> >From: Chris Storhok <br> <cstorhok @co.fairbanks.ak.us="">>To: 'J Ford' <privatejf32 @hotmail.com="">, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">vision2020@moscow.com</st1:PersonName><br> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion<br> !
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Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:10:48 -0900<br> ><br> >There are those who think I have a calling; however, I doubt it is that<br> >supreme.<br> >You are forgiven....hmmm feels kind of good...(except the "end" stinks, I <br> >am<br> >rather adverse to nails in the palms and feet)<br> ><br> >Anyway, the ice rink group just wanted to use the site under a long term<br> >lease, but it did not work out.<br> ><br> >The UI would have to preserve the grounds as a park as well, their land<br> >grant status would not trump LWCF. As you well know each new UI lands<br> >administrator states they want the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> site until they crack the file<br> >and realize they can't have it except as a park.<br> >Chris<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >-----Original Message-----<br> >From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br> >On Behalf Of J Ford<br> >Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:57 AM<br> >To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">vision2020@moscow.com</st1:PersonName><br> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion<br> ><br> >YEOW!!!! What a HUGE mistake that was....I meant to say "CHRIS"..sorry<br> >about that....typed too fast for my own good.<br> ><br> >Hope everyone forgives me for that...especially you, Chris.<br> ><br> >Mia Cuppa!!!<br> ><br> >J :]<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > >From: "J Ford" <br> <privatejf32 @hotmail.com="">> >To: cstorhok@co.fairbanks.ak.us, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">vision2020@moscow.com</st1:PersonName><br> > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion<br> > >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:48:36 -0800<br> > ><br> > >Chris (good to hear from you, Man!)<br> > ><br> > >Were they asking to "bu!
y" the
land or just use it? Does that make any<br> > >difference? Couldn't UI work with them on that issue? Seems like they<br> > >should be able to since UI is Land Grant also - or am I wrong on that <br> >one?<br> > ><br> > >J :]<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > >>From: Chris Storhok <br> <cstorhok @co.fairbanks.ak.us="">> >>To: 'J Ford' <br> <privatejf32 @hotmail.com="">> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion<br> > >>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:43:48 -0900<br> > >><br> > >>J,<br> > >>One thought, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>'s playground is forever tied up under terms of a<br> > >>Land<br> > >>Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) grant, it will take an act of Congress to<br> > >>release it. When I was wor!
king for
the county we looked for a better<br> > >>spot<br> > >>for the ice rink and looked at the sit of the old pool, unfortunately <br> >the<br> > >>LWCF restrictions kept that from occurring.<br> > >>Chris<br> > >><br> > >>-----Original Message-----<br> > >>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <br> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br> > >>On Behalf Of J Ford<br> > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:39 AM<br> > >>To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">vision2020@moscow.com</st1:PersonName><br> > >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion<br> > >><br> > >>Use Russell as the new home for PCRH (that way the HS students in need <br> >of<br> > >>the services of PCRH could easily get to it and those from PCRH could do<br> > >>likewise with the HS so close), use <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> as a "transition school",<br> > >>build another - larger elementary school on <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Joseph Street</st1:address></st1:Street> that could <br> >house<br> > >>k-6th graders, making the move to the Junior High easier. Once West <br> >Park<br> > >>is<br> > >><br> > >>not longer needed, sell it to the UI/any tech college that would like to<br> > >>use<br> > >><br> > >>it (NSA? You wouldn't need a CUP for that one!)<br> > >><br> > >>Whatever monies were garnered from the sale of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> could go <br> >towards<br> > >>updating or "earnest" money towards the building of a new High School.<br> > >><br> > !
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agree - a school on every corner is not going to happen anytime soon.<br> > >><br> > >>Thoughts?<br> > >><br> > >>J :]<br> > >><br> > >><br> > >><br> > >><br> > >> >From: "Area Man" <br> <areaman @moscow.com="">> >> >To: <br> <vision2020 @moscow.com="">> >> >Subject: [Vision2020] school facilities discussion<br> > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:50:05 -0800<br> > >> ><br> > >> >Maybe I've missed it in all the posts about elections and super<br> > >> >wal-marts and various other topics, but I haven't seen much discussion<br> > >> >on the Vizzz regarding school facilities (this time around).<br> > >> ><br> > >> >I'll get the ball rolling (love it or hate it) --<br> > >> ><br> > >> >Sell off <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> and Russell, build a new elementary school at the<br> > >> ><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Joseph Street</st1:address></st1:Street> property, send those kids there.<br> > >> ><br> > >> >Some things that *might* happen in this process:<br> > >> >- the U of I purchases the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> property<br> > >> >- *someone* buys the Russell property and builds the high-rise condos<br> > >> >that some citizens told the New Cities people we wanted, maybe even<br> > >> >using the old school for part of that.<br> > >> >- that makes some money for the SD to build the new school with (not <br> >all<br> > >> >of it, of course).<br> > >> ><b!
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>> >Issues?<br> > >> >- Kids that walk to Russell will have to hoof it to McDonald or <st1:place w:st="on">Lena</st1:place>, <br> >or<br> > >> >take a bus (not really a problem with <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">West</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, since I think most <br> >all<br> > >> >the kids ride buses there already).<br> > >> >- all the schools even farther over on the east side of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. It<br> > >> >would be nice to have one at each corner of town, but I don't see that<br> > >> >happening.<br> > >> ><br> > >> >This still doesn't fix the problems with the High School, but that's <br> >for<br> > >> >another time. Baby steps . . .<br> > >> ><br> > >> >As Tom Hansen would say, "Though!
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