[Spam] Re: [Vision2020] shamelessness

Wed Jun 7 15:03:58 PDT 2006

."...........5. One of the reasons I like to work together with men of
integrity like
Dean Wullenwaber is that I know that there will be no attempts to get
guilty individuals off on bogus technicalities. If you think that Steven
should have an attorney, then why not an honest one? If you don't want
someone like Steven to have an attorney, then why don't you just say so?

Doug - I agree! He is a GREAT attorney! I would definetely want him on my
side. Like I stated earlier, anyone that can get a person like Sitler from
life to one year (plea bargain) has definetely got what it takes in that
briefcase. In many other states the have adopted an amendment that makes
this type of a crime a minimum of 15 years in prison. Not jail, prison. No
good time off. 15 years, per offense. I understand Sitler has admitted to
many more offenses.

I wonder if Sitler drives thru a fast food place where many young people
work on his way to therapy?

-Phil

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From: Douglas
Date: 06/07/06 14:31:15
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] shamelessness

Jackie,

Your grasp of the facts in this case are about as firm as your knowledge
of where my property lines are.

1. Yes, I was notified in writing by Sitler's home church about what
they had done in response to the information that came to them from us.
They had done it in part because Steven was there at home, awaiting
trial. He was suspended from the Lord's Supper by them, and not allowed
to come to church because of the children there. But we were not
responding to a problem uncovered there, they were responding to a
problem uncovered here. You appear to have this backwards.

2. Yes, Sitler received counseling from me before the charges were
filed, but not before the authorities were informed of his crime. And in
the course of that counseling, additional crimes were confessed, and
were consequently confessed by Sitler to the authorities. What possible
problem could you have with this?

3. With regard to your third point, no announcements were made to anyone
before the civil authorities were notified. You say, somewhat coyly,
that "records prove that." Oh? What records? And no, the authorities
were not notified by me directly. Of course not. I already said what
happened. The parents found out, they talked to me, I urged them to
report it immediately, which they were already intending to do, and the
legal aspect of the whole thing was turned over to the civil authorities
within hours of finding out. Jennifer's post earlier confirms that as well.

4. Your fourth point is beside the point. From the time Steven was
caught, down to the present, he has been given no opportunity whatever
with children. None. Zilch. For the overwhelming majority of that time,
he was not in Moscow at all. He was in his hometown awaiting trial
(where parents were appropriately warned), he spent time in Cottonwood
in the prison there, and he is now in the jail here. Everything that
needed to be done to protect children was done. Stop hyper-ventilating.

5. One of the reasons I like to work together with men of integrity like
Dean Wullenwaber is that I know that there will be no attempts to get
guilty individuals off on bogus technicalities. If you think that Steven
should have an attorney, then why not an honest one? If you don't want
someone like Steven to have an attorney, then why don't you just say so?

Douglas Wilson

J Ford wrote:
> Again, wilson is leaving out several key points:
>
> A/ He was notified IN WRITING by Sitler's former church that Sitler
> was considered by them to be a danger and why - to the extent that he
> was removed from their church and any activities at/in their church.
>
> B/ Sitler received counseling by Wilson BEFORE the charges were made
> by the civil authority regarding his activities.
>
> C/ wilson supposedly notified the kirkhood in writing that Sitler had
> been caught, if you will, committing sins against the 7th Commandment.
> Again, this was BEFORE the civil authorities were notified and
> certainly they we NOT notified by wilson - records prove that.
>
> D/ This community was purposefully and 'skillfully' kept in the dark
> about ALL of this and the risk/possibility that children in the
> community were at risk. Fact is, the file shows that Sitler ADMITS to
> having committed acts against children in the church as well as the
> community.
>
> E/ wilson neglects to mention that one of the NSA Attorney Of Record
> was hired to be Sitler's Attorney of Record, that being Mr. Dean
> Wullenwaber. (news item on NSA web site: "Dean Wullenwaber (far
> right), one of the College's attornies..." was accompanied by a pic of
> Wullenwaber - http://www.nsa.edu/news/fall2005.html#Anchor-Aug-62712)
>
> wilson is a liar and as long as people continue to "give him the
> benefit of the doubt" he will just continue on his merry way doing
> what he does best - what-ever-the-heck-he-wants-to, to the detriment
> of this community and certainly to the CC congregation.
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
>> From: Douglas <dougwils at christkirk.com>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] shamelessness
>> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:57:08 -0700
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> You say that the posting you were asked to take down was simply the
>> correspondence between me and you, and that in those posts I
>> mentioned the harm to the victims' families that would come from all
>> this. But I mentioned this in /private /emails to you, which you took
>> upon yourself to then publish. I expressed my concern for the
>> victims' families /privately/, and you then published to the world
>> what I had written to you. And you were then asked by someone
>> directly harmed by your action to take them down, which you have not,
>> as of five minutes ago. Michael, you are the emotional equivalent of
>> a sucking chest wound, which makes it difficult for you to see what
>> the honorable course of action is here. You did not and do not have
>> my permission to publish those private emails. Someone directly
>> harmed by your action has asked you to remove them. Why have you not
>> done so?
>>
>> For the rest of you, you need to face up to what Michael (and J.
>> Ford, and Tom, and others) are trying to do with this. Are you going
>> to let it happen?
>>
>> I thank Jennifer MacFarland for her post and timeline, and I hope
>> that will settle it. I hope I will not have to post anymore on this.
>> Please, everyone, just drop it.
>>
>> Douglas Wilson
>>
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