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Tony Simpson
tonytime at clearwire.net
Fri Jul 14 18:43:28 PDT 2006
Donovan, stop being a little prick. Do you deny the stats I cited from ALERT that state that gay males are the group primarily responsible for the spread of AIDS? It stands to reason pal, they engage in one of the top 3 most riskiest behaviors and are notoriously promiscuous.
If a simple truth is too difficult for you to acknowledge, let me know and I will stop trying to engage you in productive debate.
Twit weary, --Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Tony Simpson
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No victims??
Tony,
No reason to be raising a tissy. I did not put any words in your mouth, I quoted you exactly, word for word, with no intent to take anything you said out of context; I took your comments at face value. If I misquoted you, please show me where I did so and I will correct my error.
It appears you have no argument, neither scientific, logical, or moral for your claims; just a bigoted unhealthy rant.
You wrote, "I stated why the practice of anal "sex" was unwise in the age of AIDS. I was clinical and specific."
Tony, are you unaware that anal sex does not cause AIDS? Do you understand that concept? What causes AIDS is unprotected sex with an infected partner.
A couple, gay or straight, can have anal sex everyday, and if neither one has AIDS, they will not contract it through that activity. Likewise, a couple, gay or straight, that only has heterosexual intercourse, can contract it.
Your argument demonstrates your extreme ignorance and prejudice in how AIDS and HIV is contracted.
"Now think carefully Don, what part of that post do you take issue with and why?"
I take issue with you presenting false and bigoted medical information as fact. That is dangerous. Now I ask you, why so much hostility against homosexuals?
Best,
_DJA
Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
Donovan,
You insist upon demanding that I defend a position that I never took. Do you just dig putting words in other's mouths, or were you not paying attention? I stated why the practice of anal "sex" was unwise in the age of AIDS. I was clinical and specific. At no time did I draw the conclusion that you attribute to me. Now think carefully Don, what part of that post do you take issue with and why?
Patiently awaiting a reasonable response, --Tony Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Tony Simpson
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No victims??
Tony,
I know you won't answer this question because you ignored my other four, but here it goes anyway.
You wrote:
"Apparently 58 PERCENT of AIDS infections result from the behavior of homosexual males, with only 11 percent of cases transmitted heterosexually."
So if you conclude that homosexual behavior is wrong because 58% of contracted cases of AIDS in the United States are because of homosexual behavior; then do you also conclude that heterosexuality in China, India and Africa is wrong because 95% of cases there are created through sexual behavior of heterosexuals?
Best,
_DJA
Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
Donovan,
You ask if my complaint about risky sexual behavior in an age of AIDS should not be about homosexual behavior, but about anal intercourse among the population at large.
Yes, Don, it should. And it is.
However, you may choose to ponder the stats provided by ALERT on the link posted by Wayne yesterday. Apparently 58 PERCENT of AIDS infections result from the behavior of homosexual males, with only 11 percent of cases transmitted heterosexually.
At some point Don, you might wish to dispense with all the PC bullshit before we loose another generation to this plague.
PC dogma be damned, --Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Tony Simpson ; Scott Dredge
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No victims??
Tony,
I wish to challenge some of your (mis)conceptions of homosexuals here;
You state, "Have you not heard of the AIDS epidemic?"
1) How are two HIV- monogamously coupled homosexuals more at risk to contract AIDS than a heterosexually married couple?
"Surely you are aware of the inherent risks of anal "sex"?"
2) Heterosexual couples also practice anal intercourse; while not all homosexuals couples do. Shouldn't your complaint be about the practice of anal intercourse, not the gender or sexual orientation of the individuals practicing it?
3) If unmarried gay men are the principle cause of the spread of AIDS and HIV in our country, should we not encourage gays to be monogamously coupled, shouldn't you be for gay marriage, not against it?
"Choosing not to enable the self destructive"
4) So you are against the legalization of all things that could be destructive or dangerous including, fast food, non-helmet use, abolishing alcohol, gambling, tobacco, pornography, and physical contact sports?
Best,
_DJA
Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
Scott,
Were you serious when you said that the practice of homosexuality does not result in anyone being victimized? Have you not heard of the AIDS epidemic? Surely you are aware of the inherent risks of anal "sex"?
The human body was obviously NOT DESIGNED to be employed in this manner. Therefore, when one engages in such activities, one deliberately risks his life and the life of his "partner". If our society genuinely cared for the welfare of homosexuals, it would strongly advise them to discontinue such unnatural and unhealthy behaviors, just as it advises against the sharing of needles.
Choosing not to enable the self destructive, --Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Dredge
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Great Debate
rvcowboy,
There are clearly victims involved in situations of adultery, rape, cheating, and stealing. Not so with homosexuality. Are you really unable to see the difference between consenual adult activity and scenarios of someone viciously hurting someone else?
-Scott
"rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote:
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-- SNIP --
I agree with you that Jesus' overwhelming
message is that we love one another. I just don't believe that loving one another justifies our
sins. Please understand, I don't rate the sin of homosexuality any differently than adultrey,
rape, cheating, stealing, or any other sin.
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