[Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Vision2020] Doug or Douglas Farris? (Was: A few Sunday thoughts)

Mon Jul 3 13:13:53 PDT 2006

Having retired from the Army with over 20 years of service, I have been
called everything but "mister".

What ever flips your Bic, dick.

Tom "The Immature Dolt" Hansen

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used
up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"

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Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 1:05 PM
To: Vision2020; Joan Opyr
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Vision2020] Doug or Douglas Farris? (Was: A
few Sunday thoughts)

On July 3 Joan Opyr wrote:  "I suppose Doug is trying to annoy and/or insult
me. I have said before that I don't care to be called Mary. My mother calls
me Joan, and she has done so all of my life. In light of this, calling me
Mary is a bit silly. No, wait -- it's juvenile. A marked lack of maturity is
the problem I originally identified among Kirk men who post to this list."

Joan,

Well worded.  This is exactly how I feel about Tom Hansen's use of a lower
case letter for my name.  I informed him about my feelings, as you indicate
you have asked Doug not to call you Mary.  At least now you know how I feel
about Tom... he is immature and a total dolt.

Dick S.

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From: Joan Opyr <mailto:joanopyr at moscow.com>  

To: Vision2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  Moscow 

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:17 PM

Subject: [Vision2020] Doug or Douglas Farris? (Was: A few Sunday thoughts)

On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Michael wrote:

Doug,

You misrepresent what Joan said.  First, she was speaking to Wilson's
practice of stirring up controversies and poking neighbors in the eye in
order to get a publicizing response (a practice going back more than 15
years from what I know); she was not speaking of your "silent grace" of
planting kingdom seeds.  Second, she said she did not care about the
theological issues; but she noted those issues she did care about.  I
appreciate your attempt to actually interact with what she said; this seems
an improvement.  But perhaps your lack of success is in part due to your
arrogant insults against her, someone who is clearly more educated and
experienced with public writing than you. She is also the most enjoyable
writer to post on V2020 (I'm sure others would agree).

Michael

Thank you, Michael. I appreciate not only your kind words but also your
elegant attempt to get Doug Farris to address what I actually said. 

I am puzzled as to why Doug insists on addressing me as Mary. That is indeed
my first name, but only my great aunts have ever called me by it, and then
only in tandem with my middle name, Joan. I'm originally from the South.
Double-barreled names like Mary Joan, Joe Bob, and Richard Earl are
commonplace. I suppose Doug is trying to annoy and/or insult me. I have said
before that I don't care to be called Mary. My mother calls me Joan, and she
has done so all of my life. In light of this, calling me Mary is a bit
silly. No, wait -- it's juvenile. A marked lack of maturity is the problem I
originally identified among Kirk men who post to this list. Indeed, it was
the entire point of the first paragraph of my previous post, and here we see
it fully illustrated. 

[FYI: there was a kid in my elementary school who insisted on calling me
Opyr-goat. That didn't bother me much, either, as it didn't make any sense.
Opyr is the Ukrainian word for vampire. See if you can make something out of
that.]

As for your second point, you may not like it, Doug, but I am just as much a
public figure as your minister. No amount of "get over yourself" will make
this not so. I write; I publish; I have a reading audience. I exist well
outside the bounds of Vision 2020. You know this, of course. You're just
being obnoxious. If I were not a public figure, I might have some legal
recourse when your friend, Dale Courtney, steals my photograph from New West
Magazine and posts it to his website. I write regular columns for several
journals, and my work is reprinted in many others. That may not make you
happy, but it is a demonstrable fact. I'm not happy that Ann Coulter has a
reading audience, but damn the McCarthy-loving fascist wing-nut, she does --
and a big one, too. I don't claim to have anything akin to Ann Coulter's
reach, but my first novel is in bookstores and enjoying brisk sales, and a
sequel is on the way. I don't expect that you've read Idaho Code, and I
certainly don't recommend it to you. To judge from your posts, you wouldn't
enjoy it. You'd like the sequel, From Hell to Breakfast, even less.

If you're going to criticize me, Doug, please try focusing on the genuine
rather than the imagined. Try concentrating on what I've actually said and
not on your own wishful thinking. Ignore the straw (wo)man. You are talking
to -- or, rather, at -- a real person with real ideas, and those real ideas
have real consequences. I am not the bogeywoman of your fevered imaginings.
Would that I were. I'd happily climb back into the closet just long enough
to jump out at you and yell "boo!" And I'd be sure to bring my digital
camera.

A few real issues with which to begin? Try explaining your pastor's
"serrated edge." Try telling us how your behavior on this list and on Dale's
blog is exemplary of the true Christian spirit and furthers the spread of
the gospel. Would Jesus call me as Mary knowing that I went by Joan? If so,
would I be justified in calling him Chuck? I have said that Christ Church
has far too many "future men" in its midst, men who evince a decided lack of
maturity and who rely on juvenile insult rather than reasoned debate. Prove
me wrong. Try being mature. If you don't want to answer me, then why not
answer Michael, your brother in Christ? When you do so, see if you're able
to refrain from calling him "Mike-Dogg," or any other such nonsense. Don't
ask him if he has a fear of being naked. Try to act your age. Try not to
make a fool of yourself.

You've made much of being the father of nine, Doug. It's not fair to expect
your wife to raise a man-child who's in his forties.

Joan 

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