[Vision2020] Wal-Mart and the Pledge

[Joseph Campbell]

There is no straw person analogy. The assumptions you make about my failure
to apply the rules universally is wrong. I would say the same about these
other places, as well. I don¹t care what the ³financial backers of campaigns
against  Wal-Mart² are doing. I¹m not doing it. No one is ³feeding me
information² about Wal-Mart other than the folks on Vision 2020, including
yourself. I am ‹ as some have gathered ‹ relatively uninformed on the whole
issue.

Best, Joe

On 1/30/06 9:26 AM, "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>   
>   What you are doing is a fallacy called a strawman. That is where you make an
> argument I never made and then attack it. : )
>   
>   I never stated that the working conditions in China were OK. Or that  paying
> people $7 an hour is OK. Or paying little for health insurance  as OK.
>   
>  My point is that if you are going to demand better  working conditions for
> factory workers and mandate employee paid health  insurance, and demand higher
> minimum wages, then the laws should be  applied uniformly.
>   
>  The financial backers of campaigns against  Wal-Mart are not mandating these
> rights be applied to all corporations,  just Wal-Mart, because they do not
> wish to improve the conditions of  workers in China or the US, just their own
> personal financial  situations for their corporations and organizations.
>   
>  When  the people feeding you information about Wal-Mart are making billions
> of dollars by stopping Wal-Mart, do you really think that information  is
> honest and accurate?
>   
>  Joe, would you require one of your  students to get a 95% for an A while
> allowing for only a 90% for an A  for the other students? I would hope not. I
> hope that if you wanted to  raise the standards of your students you would
> raise the A to 95% for  everyone.
>   
>   _DJA
>   
> 
> josephc at mail.wsu.edu wrote:
>>   Donovan,
>> 
>> Your first response is an instance of a fallacy called 'appeal to common
>> practice': Everyone does (or in this case, other companies do) X, so it is
>> OK for me (or in this case, Wal-Mart) to do X. But just because other
>> companies contract manufacturers from companies that have no concept of
>> human rights, does not mean that it is OK for Wal-Mart to do so also.
>> 
>> I think it is interesting to contrast your views on this subject with your
>> views on the Pledg e, which ends with the phrase "with liberty and justice
>> for all." So essentially, you think it is important of council to
>> regularly say words which you do not even fully believe!
>> 
>> Best, Joe
>> 
>>> >       Let me correct your misinformation with facts and sources Joan:
>>> >           1)      Concern:  Poor working conditions at Wal-Mart factories
>>> >       Answer: Wal-Mart does not own  factories it distributes goods, it
>>> > does not make them. They contract with manufactures;  the same
>>> > manufactures that are used by ShopKo, Kmart, Target, Dollar General,
>>> >  Dollar Store, Family Dollar, Sears, Dillards , TJ Maxx, Ross, etc.
>> 
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