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<FONT FACE="Verdana">There is no straw person analogy. The assumptions you make about my failure to apply the rules universally is wrong. I would say the same about these other places, as well. I don’t care what the “financial backers of campaigns against Wal-Mart” are doing. I’m not doing it. No one is “feeding me information” about Wal-Mart other than the folks on Vision 2020, including yourself. I am — as some have gathered — relatively uninformed on the whole issue.<BR>
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Best, Joe<BR>
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On 1/30/06 9:26 AM, "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>
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</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana">Joe,<BR>
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What you are doing is a fallacy called a strawman. That is where you make an argument I never made and then attack it. : )<BR>
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I never stated that the working conditions in China were OK. Or that paying people $7 an hour is OK. Or paying little for health insurance as OK. <BR>
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My point is that if you are going to demand better working conditions for factory workers and mandate employee paid health insurance, and demand higher minimum wages, then the laws should be applied uniformly.<BR>
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The financial backers of campaigns against Wal-Mart are not mandating these rights be applied to all corporations, just Wal-Mart, because they do not wish to improve the conditions of workers in China or the US, just their own personal financial situations for their corporations and organizations. <BR>
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When the people feeding you information about Wal-Mart are making billions of dollars by stopping Wal-Mart, do you really think that information is honest and accurate?<BR>
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Joe, would you require one of your students to get a 95% for an A while allowing for only a 90% for an A for the other students? I would hope not. I hope that if you wanted to raise the standards of your students you would raise the A to 95% for everyone. <BR>
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<B><I>josephc@mail.wsu.edu</I></B> wrote:<BR>
</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana"> Donovan,<BR>
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Your first response is an instance of a fallacy called 'appeal to common<BR>
practice': Everyone does (or in this case, other companies do) X, so it is<BR>
OK for me (or in this case, Wal-Mart) to do X. But just because other<BR>
companies contract manufacturers from companies that have no concept of<BR>
human rights, does not mean that it is OK for Wal-Mart to do so also.<BR>
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I think it is interesting to contrast your views on this subject with your<BR>
views on the Pledg e, which ends with the phrase "with liberty and justice<BR>
for all." So essentially, you think it is important of council to<BR>
regularly say words which you do not even fully believe!<BR>
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Best, Joe<BR>
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> Let me correct your misinformation with facts and sources Joan:<BR>
> 1) Concern: Poor working conditions at Wal-Mart factories<BR>
> Answer: Wal-Mart does not own factories it distributes goods, it<BR>
> does not make them. They contract with manufactures; the same<BR>
> manufactures that are used by ShopKo, Kmart, Target, Dollar General,<BR>
> Dollar Store, Family Dollar, Sears, Dillards , TJ Maxx, Ross, etc.<BR>
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