[Vision2020] Missing the point

Tue Aug 15 11:58:48 PDT 2006

Sorry, didn't mean to indicate a direct quotation. I'm talking about the
implication.

-Austin

On 8/15/06, Warren Hayman <whayman at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Funny, but I can't seem to find the phrase in quotation marks in the
> post below (which would usually indicate a direct quote) within Keely's
> post. Perhaps my mail is acting up.
>
> Warren Hayman
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2006, at 09:47 AM, Austin Storm wrote:
>
> > Haven't really been following this discussion, but thought I'd jump
> > in. "Not following zoning laws" is a slander and a smokescreen, and
> > you should know better keely.
> >
> > -Austin
> >
> > On 8/15/06, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does the vision of Doug Wilson and his elders and the fellows at NSA
> > for a
> > transformed culture include a society where people obey zoning laws
> > imposed
> > by civil authority and eschew lying en masse to one's neighbors?
> >
> > Golly, that does sound nifty!
> >
> > keely
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point
> > Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:46:22 +0000
> >
> > Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> > [[ The whole damn debate started when Wilson tried to suggest (a) that
> > slavery wasn't as bad as we thought that it was, (b) that some
> > instances of
> > slavery were justified (as long as the Master was "Christian" and the
> > slave
> > was Non-"Christian"), (c) and that persons deserved death on the basis
> > of
> > their sexual orientation. That sounds pretty intolerant to me . . . If
> > he
> > ever took it upon himself to stop saying such nonsense and to
> > apologize to
> > those in the community that he's offended we'd be well beyond this
> > mess. ]]
> >
> > Joe, I can't speak for Wilson, but I agree it sounds intolerant
> > because it
> > is intolerant, although I must point out one of your distortions of
> > Wilson's
> > teachings: he has NEVER said that anyone deserves the death penalty on
> > the
> > basis of their sexual orientation. In any case, what he did actually
> > say is
> > plenty offensive enough to those who find the Bible offensive. The
> > likelihood of Wilson ever ceasing from saying that or of him
> > apologizing to
> > people in the community that were offended by that would seem to be
> > zero,
> > because that is what the Bible itself teaches, and the church has
> > recognized
> > that for millennia, and there is no need to apologize for to be
> > embarrassed
> > by anything that is in the Bible. You will note, for example, that by
> > no
> > stretch of the imagination has he has ever advocated vigilante violence
> > against anyone. Rather, he is working (including praying and
> > preaching) for
> > society to return to a consistently biblical foundation. Presumably
> > when
> > that happens, the penal system will be reformed through the
> > governmental
> > system currently available to us, and, among other things, homosexual
> > perversions will once again be recognized as criminal behavior rather
> > than
> > protected behavior. If that does happen, it will be through the work
> > of the
> > Holy Spirit convicting enough individual people so that as a net result
> > society ends up being transformed. It will not be the result of some
> > sort of
> > a coup d'etat by Doug Wilson and like-minded men who then impose some
> > sort
> > of a perverse "theonomic" martial law, Nick Gier's sick comparisons to
> > the
> > Taliban notwithstanding.
> >
> > [[ Criticism of intolerance is not itself a display of intolerance. ]]
> >
> > Actually, in your case that is exactly what it is. You can tolerate
> > anything
> > except an absolutist position, because you have absolutized your
> > radical
> > relativism. You speak in praise of diversity until you encounter
> > someone who
> > really is different from you, and then you can't handle that. The fact
> > of
> > the matter is that your much-vaunted commitments to tolerance and
> > diversity
> > are a sham -- a ruse aimed at silencing the voice of orthodox
> > Christianity
> > in the public square. When I say "sham," "ruse," and "aimed," I don't
> > mean
> > that you personally -- or for that matter necessarily anyone on V2020
> > -- is
> > self-consciously aware of that. But that is exactly the case at a
> > certain
> > spiritual level. The great engine motivating all this is a deep-seated
> > hostility to God's biblical revelation and to biblical revelation's
> > God.
> >
> > -- Princesss Sushitushi
> >
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