Sorry, didn't mean to indicate a direct quotation. I'm talking about the implication.<br><br>-Austin<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/15/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Warren Hayman</b> <<a href="mailto:whayman@adelphia.net">
whayman@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Funny, but I can't seem to find the phrase in quotation marks in the
<br>post below (which would usually indicate a direct quote) within Keely's<br>post. Perhaps my mail is acting up.<br><br>Warren Hayman<br><br>On Tuesday, August 15, 2006, at 09:47 AM, Austin Storm wrote:<br><br>> Haven't really been following this discussion, but thought I'd jump
<br>> in. "Not following zoning laws" is a slander and a smokescreen, and<br>> you should know better keely.<br>><br>> -Austin<br>><br>> On 8/15/06, keely emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">
kjajmix1@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Does the vision of Doug Wilson and his elders and the fellows at NSA<br>> for a<br>> transformed culture include a society where people obey zoning laws<br>> imposed
<br>> by civil authority and eschew lying en masse to one's neighbors?<br>><br>> Golly, that does sound nifty!<br>><br>> keely<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> From: "Taro Tanaka" <
<a href="mailto:taro_tanaka@hotmail.com">taro_tanaka@hotmail.com</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point<br>> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:46:22 +0000
<br>><br>> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> [[ The whole damn debate started when Wilson tried to suggest (a) that<br>> slavery wasn't as bad as we thought that it was, (b) that some
<br>> instances of<br>> slavery were justified (as long as the Master was "Christian" and the<br>> slave<br>> was Non-"Christian"), (c) and that persons deserved death on the basis<br>> of
<br>> their sexual orientation. That sounds pretty intolerant to me . . . If<br>> he<br>> ever took it upon himself to stop saying such nonsense and to<br>> apologize to<br>> those in the community that he's offended we'd be well beyond this
<br>> mess. ]]<br>><br>> Joe, I can't speak for Wilson, but I agree it sounds intolerant<br>> because it<br>> is intolerant, although I must point out one of your distortions of<br>> Wilson's<br>> teachings: he has NEVER said that anyone deserves the death penalty on
<br>> the<br>> basis of their sexual orientation. In any case, what he did actually<br>> say is<br>> plenty offensive enough to those who find the Bible offensive. The<br>> likelihood of Wilson ever ceasing from saying that or of him
<br>> apologizing to<br>> people in the community that were offended by that would seem to be<br>> zero,<br>> because that is what the Bible itself teaches, and the church has<br>> recognized<br>> that for millennia, and there is no need to apologize for to be
<br>> embarrassed<br>> by anything that is in the Bible. You will note, for example, that by<br>> no<br>> stretch of the imagination has he has ever advocated vigilante violence<br>> against anyone. Rather, he is working (including praying and
<br>> preaching) for<br>> society to return to a consistently biblical foundation. Presumably<br>> when<br>> that happens, the penal system will be reformed through the<br>> governmental<br>> system currently available to us, and, among other things, homosexual
<br>> perversions will once again be recognized as criminal behavior rather<br>> than<br>> protected behavior. If that does happen, it will be through the work<br>> of the<br>> Holy Spirit convicting enough individual people so that as a net result
<br>> society ends up being transformed. It will not be the result of some<br>> sort of<br>> a coup d'etat by Doug Wilson and like-minded men who then impose some<br>> sort<br>> of a perverse "theonomic" martial law, Nick Gier's sick comparisons to
<br>> the<br>> Taliban notwithstanding.<br>><br>> [[ Criticism of intolerance is not itself a display of intolerance. ]]<br>><br>> Actually, in your case that is exactly what it is. You can tolerate<br>> anything
<br>> except an absolutist position, because you have absolutized your<br>> radical<br>> relativism. You speak in praise of diversity until you encounter<br>> someone who<br>> really is different from you, and then you can't handle that. The fact
<br>> of<br>> the matter is that your much-vaunted commitments to tolerance and<br>> diversity<br>> are a sham -- a ruse aimed at silencing the voice of orthodox<br>> Christianity<br>> in the public square. When I say "sham," "ruse," and "aimed," I don't
<br>> mean<br>> that you personally -- or for that matter necessarily anyone on V2020<br>> -- is<br>> self-consciously aware of that. But that is exactly the case at a<br>> certain<br>> spiritual level. The great engine motivating all this is a deep-seated
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