[Vision2020] Missing the point

[Warren Hayman]

Funny, but I can't seem to find the phrase in quotation marks in the 
post below (which would usually indicate a direct quote) within Keely's 
post. Perhaps my mail is acting up.

Warren Hayman

On Tuesday, August 15, 2006, at 09:47 AM, Austin Storm wrote:

> Haven't really been following this discussion, but thought I'd jump 
> in. "Not following zoning laws" is a slander and a smokescreen, and 
> you should know better keely.
>
> -Austin
>
> On 8/15/06, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Does the vision of Doug Wilson and his elders and the fellows at NSA 
> for a
> transformed culture include a society where people obey zoning laws 
> imposed
> by civil authority and eschew lying en masse to one's neighbors?
>
> Golly, that does sound nifty!
>
> keely
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:46:22 +0000
>
> Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> [[ The whole damn debate started when Wilson tried to suggest (a) that
> slavery wasn't as bad as we thought that it was, (b) that some 
> instances of
> slavery were justified (as long as the Master was "Christian" and the 
> slave
> was Non-"Christian"), (c) and that persons deserved death on the basis 
> of
> their sexual orientation. That sounds pretty intolerant to me . . . If 
> he
> ever took it upon himself to stop saying such nonsense and to 
> apologize to
> those in the community that he's offended we'd be well beyond this 
> mess. ]]
>
> Joe, I can't speak for Wilson, but I agree it sounds intolerant 
> because it
> is intolerant, although I must point out one of your distortions of 
> Wilson's
> teachings: he has NEVER said that anyone deserves the death penalty on 
> the
> basis of their sexual orientation. In any case, what he did actually 
> say is
> plenty offensive enough to those who find the Bible offensive. The
> likelihood of Wilson ever ceasing from saying that or of him 
> apologizing to
> people in the community that were offended by that would seem to be 
> zero,
> because that is what the Bible itself teaches, and the church has 
> recognized
> that for millennia, and there is no need to apologize for to be 
> embarrassed
> by anything that is in the Bible. You will note, for example, that by 
> no
> stretch of the imagination has he has ever advocated vigilante violence
> against anyone. Rather, he is working (including praying and 
> preaching) for
> society to return to a consistently biblical foundation. Presumably 
> when
> that happens, the penal system will be reformed through the 
> governmental
> system currently available to us, and, among other things, homosexual
> perversions will once again be recognized as criminal behavior rather 
> than
> protected behavior. If that does happen, it will be through the work 
> of the
> Holy Spirit convicting enough individual people so that as a net result
> society ends up being transformed. It will not be the result of some 
> sort of
> a coup d'etat by Doug Wilson and like-minded men who then impose some 
> sort
> of a perverse "theonomic" martial law, Nick Gier's sick comparisons to 
> the
> Taliban notwithstanding.
>
> [[ Criticism of intolerance is not itself a display of intolerance. ]]
>
> Actually, in your case that is exactly what it is. You can tolerate 
> anything
> except an absolutist position, because you have absolutized your 
> radical
> relativism. You speak in praise of diversity until you encounter 
> someone who
> really is different from you, and then you can't handle that. The fact 
> of
> the matter is that your much-vaunted commitments to tolerance and 
> diversity
> are a sham -- a ruse aimed at silencing the voice of orthodox 
> Christianity
> in the public square. When I say "sham," "ruse," and "aimed," I don't 
> mean
> that you personally -- or for that matter necessarily anyone on V2020 
> -- is
> self-consciously aware of that. But that is exactly the case at a 
> certain
> spiritual level. The great engine motivating all this is a deep-seated
> hostility to God's biblical revelation and to biblical revelation's 
> God.
>
> -- Princesss Sushitushi
>
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