[Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 4 01:11:01 PDT 2006
Matt,
Because I would be late for work and I cannot carry everything I need. I work one full time job, one part time job, and go to graduate school full time. Walking ten to twelve miles a day would take about 3-4 hours out my day that I don't have if I want to sleep at least 6 hours a day, which is what my body needs, at least. And I am not anti cars. I am anti bringing a 3/4 ton pick up everywhere you go when someone does not need it. I use 1/10 of the energy consumed as the average US citizen--still too high, but a step in the right direction.
Best,
_DJA
Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote: Donovan,
You stated;"I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could never
find a spot. I cannot get any other color".
What happened to all of that anti car/ anti gas consuming vehicle talk you
did two days ago?
Why not walk the good ole 3 miles of Moscow?
Matt
>From: Donovan Arnold
>To: Paul Rumelhart , vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Good points Paul. I agree. The University does use parking as a money
>maker.
>
> But it is going to find, I think that parking costs more to create than
>they can charge, which is why they have not yet build a parking garage
>between the Memorial Gym and the Administration building, behind the
>Education building. They would have to charge $250 a spot just to break
>even on the construction.
>
> I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could never find a
>spot. I cannot get any other color.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>Paul Rumelhart wrote: I'm not qualified
>to comment on how well that kind of system would work. However, I don't
>personally think that the UI will do anything like that until they get the
>"parking is revenue" idea out of their heads. Remember the good old days
>when you could park for free at the Dome and hoof it to class? Or on the
>street? The permit prices are getting way out of control, and even if you
>have one you can't park in lots of areas because you don't have the right
>color permit and can't get one. And the "parking nazis" drive cars made
>to look like police cars with stickers on the doors and lights on top of
>them.
>
> Make us poor staff pay for our permits, fine. Keep the price of a Gold
>permit high, and also the Magenta, Silver, and whatever other student ones
>there are. If you keep the price higher, more people will find alternate
>ways to get to work. Save the good spots for disabled parking and meters,
>but reduce the prices for Blue permits, get rid of Red permits, reduce the
> number of Magenta, Silver, etc, and open up areas on the outskirts of
>campus for free parking. Try alternate ideas like increasing the shuttle
>runs and putting in more bicycle parking. Stop trying to make the poor
>parking situation into a money-maker.
>
> Paul
>
> Donovan Arnold wrote: Hansen, you lack imagination or are unaware of
>how public transportation funding works. Do you think public
>transportation is actually covered by the $1 fee to ride the bus anywhere,
>or do you think that the taxpayer slips in most the funding?
>
> Do you think libraries pay for everything through late fees?
>
> No, the costs to the taxpayer is repaid in savings on the costs for
>road repairs, reduction in insurance premiums, and the cost of not
>producing more parking spaces. This combined with the charging of a small
>fee for the users of the program would cover the costs.
>
> Nobody said anything about free gas. When you rent a car it is filled up
>with gas and you are required to return it filled up with gas.
>
> In the Communication Department at UI, most Comm students cannot afford
>all the technical equipment of video cameras, editing equipment, special
>lenses, etc, so they all pay a fee to pay for communication equipment, in
>return, the comm students get to rent the equipment. Do the same thing
>with a vehicle program. Students could leave their cars at home, pay a
>fee, then access a car on the few occasions that they really need a car.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen wrote: v\:*
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> I am certain that these ideas presented by Arnold will be immediately
>adopted once a source of free gasoline and free cars is identified.
>
> Keep us informed, ok?
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
>of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
>skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
>thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
>ride!'"
>
>
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:29 PM
> To: Art Deco; Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
>
>
> What if the University were to include free ( or reduced price) car
>rentals for each student and offered free bus rides to Boise, Twin Falls,
>Portland, and Seattle, (and cities in between during vacation times), to
>students that elected not to bring a car to the University, which is
>unneeded for most on campus living students.
>
> If a student could rent a car from the UI for the day, or a few hours
>once in a while, they might elect to do that instead of bringing a car
>that eats at their wallet when they really don't need one most the time.
>It would also free up parking spaces on campus and downtown.
>
> Just an idea.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>
>
> Art Deco wrote:
> When I was a student here in 58-62 and 66-69, students were
>actively
> discouraged from bringing vehicles to the university. Is there any
>chance
> of reviving that policy?
>
> W.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david sarff"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16
>
>
> >I would like to see transportation distribution zones that restrict
> >vehicles
> > by weight class.
> > On national and local levels.
> >
> > Also, it would be great to give the students incentive to leave their
>cars
> > home. Offer tuition or housing cost adjustments. Something.
> >
> > Out of the last 43 years that I can remember of Moscow. The volume of
> > traffic seems exponentially larger than the increase in actual
>population.
> > Growing traffic adds a certain madness to Moscow and to the nation
>that I
> > certainly would prefer have go away.
> >
> > By the looks of the developing infeed/outfeed status-quo
>infrastructure.
> > Traffic pressure does not look as though its going to ease off
>anytime
> > soon.
> >
> > Dave Sarff
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Nils Peterson
> >>
> >>
> >>What a fine opportunity to talk about alternative transportation
>modes.
> >>Thanks Tom Ivie for your recent post on Federal Funding for such
>work. And
> >>thanks to the COOP for starting your effort to get shoppers to use
> >>alternative modes, looks like you were planning ahead.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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