[Vision2020] Reducing cars in town

Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Thu Aug 3 23:13:00 PDT 2006


Donovan,

You stated;"I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could never 
find a spot. I cannot get any other color".

What happened to all of that anti car/ anti gas consuming vehicle talk you 
did two days ago?
Why not walk the good ole 3 miles of Moscow?

Matt



>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Good points Paul. I agree. The University does use parking as a money 
>maker.
>
>   But it is going to find, I think that parking costs more to create than  
>they can charge, which is why they have not yet build a parking garage  
>between the Memorial Gym and the Administration building, behind the  
>Education building. They would have to charge $250 a spot just to break  
>even on the construction.
>
>   I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could never find a 
>spot. I cannot get any other color.
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:            I'm not qualified 
>to comment on how well that kind of system would  work.  However, I don't 
>personally think that the UI will do  anything like that until they get the 
>"parking is revenue" idea out of  their heads.  Remember the good old days 
>when you could park for  free at the Dome and hoof it to class?  Or on the 
>street?   The permit prices are getting way out of control, and even if you 
>have  one you can't park in lots of areas because you don't have the right  
>color permit and can't get one.  And the "parking nazis" drive  cars made 
>to look like police cars with stickers on the doors and  lights on top of 
>them.
>
>  Make us poor staff pay for our  permits, fine.  Keep the price of a Gold 
>permit high, and also the  Magenta, Silver, and whatever other student ones 
>there are.  If  you keep the price higher, more people will find alternate 
>ways to get  to work.  Save the good spots for disabled parking and meters, 
>but  reduce the prices for Blue permits, get rid of Red permits, reduce the 
>  number of Magenta, Silver, etc, and open up areas on the outskirts of  
>campus for free parking.  Try alternate ideas like increasing the  shuttle 
>runs and putting in more bicycle parking.  Stop trying to  make the poor 
>parking situation into a money-maker.
>
>   Paul
>
>   Donovan Arnold wrote:  Hansen,  you lack imagination or are unaware of 
>how public transportation  funding works. Do you think public 
>transportation is actually covered  by the $1 fee to ride the bus anywhere, 
>or do you think that the  taxpayer slips in most the funding?
>
>   Do you think libraries pay for everything through late fees?
>
>   No, the costs to the taxpayer is repaid in savings on the costs for  
>road repairs, reduction in insurance premiums, and the cost of not  
>producing more parking spaces. This combined with the charging of a  small 
>fee  for the users of the program would cover the  costs.
>
>  Nobody said anything about free gas. When  you rent a car it is filled up 
>with gas and you are required to return  it filled up with gas.
>
>  In the Communication Department at  UI, most Comm students cannot afford 
>all the technical equipment of  video cameras, editing equipment, special 
>lenses, etc, so they all pay  a fee to pay for communication equipment, in 
>return, the comm students  get to rent the equipment. Do the same thing 
>with a vehicle program.  Students could leave their cars at home, pay a 
>fee, then access a car  on the few occasions that they really need a car.
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
>
>
>     Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:                    v\:* 
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>{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}          
>         st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                             
>  I am certain  that these ideas presented by Arnold  will be immediately 
>adopted once a source of free gasoline and free  cars is identified.
>
>       Keep us  informed, ok?
>
>       Tom Hansen
>       Moscow, Idaho
>
>             "Life  should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention 
>of arriving  safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to 
>skid in  sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body 
>thoroughly  used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a 
>ride!'"
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>       From:  vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
>       Sent: Wednesday,  August 02, 2006 6:29 PM
>       To: Art Deco; Vision  2020
>       Subject: Re:  [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
>
>
>       What  if the University were to include free ( or reduced price) car 
>rentals  for each student and offered free bus rides to Boise, Twin Falls,  
>Portland, and Seattle, (and cities in between during vacation times),  to 
>students that elected not to bring a car to the University, which is  
>unneeded for most on campus living students.
>
>  If a student  could rent a car from the UI for the day, or a few hours 
>once in a  while, they might elect to do that instead of bringing a car 
>that eats  at their wallet when they really don't need one most the time. 
>It would  also free up parking spaces on campus and downtown.
>
>   Just an idea.
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
>
>
>       Art Deco  <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>       When I was a student here in 58-62 and 66-69,  students were 
>actively
>   discouraged from bringing vehicles to the university. Is there any  
>chance
>   of reviving that policy?
>
>   W.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "david sarff"
>       To:
>       Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:11 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16
>
>
>   >I would like to see transportation distribution zones that restrict
>   >vehicles
>   > by weight class.
>   > On national and local levels.
>   >
>   > Also, it would be great to give the students incentive to leave  their 
>cars
>   > home. Offer tuition or housing cost adjustments. Something.
>   >
>   > Out of the last 43 years that I can remember of Moscow. The  volume of
>   > traffic seems exponentially larger than the increase in actual  
>population.
>   > Growing traffic adds a certain madness to Moscow and to the nation 
>that I
>   > certainly would prefer have go away.
>   >
>   > By the looks of the developing infeed/outfeed status-quo  
>infrastructure.
>   > Traffic pressure does not look as though its going to ease off  
>anytime
>   > soon.
>   >
>   > Dave Sarff
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >>From: Nils Peterson
>       >>
>   >>
>   >>What a fine opportunity to talk about alternative  transportation 
>modes.
>   >>Thanks Tom Ivie for your recent post on Federal Funding for  such 
>work. And
>   >>thanks to the COOP for starting your effort to get shoppers to  use
>   >>alternative modes, looks like you were planning ahead.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >
>   >
>   >
>
>
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