[Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Fri Aug 4 14:45:36 PDT 2006
Donovan,
Take the bus, as you inferred earlier.
Matt
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, godshatter at yahoo.com,
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 01:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Matt,
>
> Because I would be late for work and I cannot carry everything I need. I
>work one full time job, one part time job, and go to graduate school full
>time. Walking ten to twelve miles a day would take about 3-4 hours out my
>day that I don't have if I want to sleep at least 6 hours a day, which is
>what my body needs, at least. And I am not anti cars. I am anti bringing a
>3/4 ton pick up everywhere you go when someone does not need it. I use
>1/10 of the energy consumed as the average US citizen--still too high, but
>a step in the right direction.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote: Donovan,
>
>You stated;"I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could
>never
>find a spot. I cannot get any other color".
>
>What happened to all of that anti car/ anti gas consuming vehicle talk you
>did two days ago?
>Why not walk the good ole 3 miles of Moscow?
>
>Matt
>
>
>
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: Paul Rumelhart , vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
> >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Good points Paul. I agree. The University does use parking as a money
> >maker.
> >
> > But it is going to find, I think that parking costs more to create
>than
> >they can charge, which is why they have not yet build a parking garage
> >between the Memorial Gym and the Administration building, behind the
> >Education building. They would have to charge $250 a spot just to break
> >even on the construction.
> >
> > I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could never find
>a
> >spot. I cannot get any other color.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >Paul Rumelhart wrote: I'm not qualified
> >to comment on how well that kind of system would work. However, I don't
> >personally think that the UI will do anything like that until they get
>the
> >"parking is revenue" idea out of their heads. Remember the good old
>days
> >when you could park for free at the Dome and hoof it to class? Or on
>the
> >street? The permit prices are getting way out of control, and even if
>you
> >have one you can't park in lots of areas because you don't have the
>right
> >color permit and can't get one. And the "parking nazis" drive cars made
> >to look like police cars with stickers on the doors and lights on top of
> >them.
> >
> > Make us poor staff pay for our permits, fine. Keep the price of a
>Gold
> >permit high, and also the Magenta, Silver, and whatever other student
>ones
> >there are. If you keep the price higher, more people will find
>alternate
> >ways to get to work. Save the good spots for disabled parking and
>meters,
> >but reduce the prices for Blue permits, get rid of Red permits, reduce
>the
> > number of Magenta, Silver, etc, and open up areas on the outskirts of
> >campus for free parking. Try alternate ideas like increasing the
>shuttle
> >runs and putting in more bicycle parking. Stop trying to make the poor
> >parking situation into a money-maker.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Donovan Arnold wrote: Hansen, you lack imagination or are unaware of
> >how public transportation funding works. Do you think public
> >transportation is actually covered by the $1 fee to ride the bus
>anywhere,
> >or do you think that the taxpayer slips in most the funding?
> >
> > Do you think libraries pay for everything through late fees?
> >
> > No, the costs to the taxpayer is repaid in savings on the costs for
> >road repairs, reduction in insurance premiums, and the cost of not
> >producing more parking spaces. This combined with the charging of a
>small
> >fee for the users of the program would cover the costs.
> >
> > Nobody said anything about free gas. When you rent a car it is filled
>up
> >with gas and you are required to return it filled up with gas.
> >
> > In the Communication Department at UI, most Comm students cannot
>afford
> >all the technical equipment of video cameras, editing equipment, special
> >lenses, etc, so they all pay a fee to pay for communication equipment,
>in
> >return, the comm students get to rent the equipment. Do the same thing
> >with a vehicle program. Students could leave their cars at home, pay a
> >fee, then access a car on the few occasions that they really need a car.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Hansen wrote: v\:*
> >{behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:*
> >{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
> > I am certain that these ideas presented by Arnold will be immediately
> >adopted once a source of free gasoline and free cars is identified.
> >
> > Keep us informed, ok?
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
>intention
> >of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
>to
> >skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
> >thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
> >ride!'"
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:29 PM
> > To: Art Deco; Vision 2020
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town
> >
> >
> > What if the University were to include free ( or reduced price)
>car
> >rentals for each student and offered free bus rides to Boise, Twin
>Falls,
> >Portland, and Seattle, (and cities in between during vacation times), to
> >students that elected not to bring a car to the University, which is
> >unneeded for most on campus living students.
> >
> > If a student could rent a car from the UI for the day, or a few hours
> >once in a while, they might elect to do that instead of bringing a car
> >that eats at their wallet when they really don't need one most the time.
> >It would also free up parking spaces on campus and downtown.
> >
> > Just an idea.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >
> >
> > Art Deco wrote:
> > When I was a student here in 58-62 and 66-69, students were
> >actively
> > discouraged from bringing vehicles to the university. Is there any
> >chance
> > of reviving that policy?
> >
> > W.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "david sarff"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16
> >
> >
> > >I would like to see transportation distribution zones that restrict
> > >vehicles
> > > by weight class.
> > > On national and local levels.
> > >
> > > Also, it would be great to give the students incentive to leave
>their
> >cars
> > > home. Offer tuition or housing cost adjustments. Something.
> > >
> > > Out of the last 43 years that I can remember of Moscow. The volume
>of
> > > traffic seems exponentially larger than the increase in actual
> >population.
> > > Growing traffic adds a certain madness to Moscow and to the nation
> >that I
> > > certainly would prefer have go away.
> > >
> > > By the looks of the developing infeed/outfeed status-quo
> >infrastructure.
> > > Traffic pressure does not look as though its going to ease off
> >anytime
> > > soon.
> > >
> > > Dave Sarff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Nils Peterson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>What a fine opportunity to talk about alternative transportation
> >modes.
> > >>Thanks Tom Ivie for your recent post on Federal Funding for such
> >work. And
> > >>thanks to the COOP for starting your effort to get shoppers to use
> > >>alternative modes, looks like you were planning ahead.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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