Matt,<br> <br> Because I would be late for work and I cannot carry everything I need. I work one full time job, one part time job, and go to graduate school full time. Walking ten to twelve miles a day would take about 3-4 hours out my day that I don't have if I want to sleep at least 6 hours a day, which is what my body needs, at least. And I am not anti cars. I am anti bringing a 3/4 ton pick up everywhere you go when someone does not need it. I use 1/10 of the energy consumed as the average US citizen--still too high, but a step in the right direction. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Matt Decker <mattd2107@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Donovan,<br><br>You stated;"I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could never <br>find a spot. I cannot get any other color".<br><br>What happened to all of that anti car/ anti gas
consuming vehicle talk you <br>did two days ago?<br>Why not walk the good ole 3 miles of Moscow?<br><br>Matt<br><br><br><br>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>>To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter @yahoo.com="">, vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town<br>>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:04:49 -0700 (PDT)<br>><br>>Good points Paul. I agree. The University does use parking as a money <br>>maker.<br>><br>> But it is going to find, I think that parking costs more to create than <br>>they can charge, which is why they have not yet build a parking garage <br>>between the Memorial Gym and the Administration building, behind the <br>>Education building. They would have to charge $250 a spot just to break <br>>even on the construction.<br>><br>> I only get the blue parking permit because the red I could never find a <br>>spot. I cannot get any other color.<br>><br>>
Best,<br>><br>> _DJA<br>><br>>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter @yahoo.com=""> wrote: I'm not qualified <br>>to comment on how well that kind of system would work. However, I don't <br>>personally think that the UI will do anything like that until they get the <br>>"parking is revenue" idea out of their heads. Remember the good old days <br>>when you could park for free at the Dome and hoof it to class? Or on the <br>>street? The permit prices are getting way out of control, and even if you <br>>have one you can't park in lots of areas because you don't have the right <br>>color permit and can't get one. And the "parking nazis" drive cars made <br>>to look like police cars with stickers on the doors and lights on top of <br>>them.<br>><br>> Make us poor staff pay for our permits, fine. Keep the price of a Gold <br>>permit high, and also the Magenta, Silver, and whatever other student ones <br>>there
are. If you keep the price higher, more people will find alternate <br>>ways to get to work. Save the good spots for disabled parking and meters, <br>>but reduce the prices for Blue permits, get rid of Red permits, reduce the <br>> number of Magenta, Silver, etc, and open up areas on the outskirts of <br>>campus for free parking. Try alternate ideas like increasing the shuttle <br>>runs and putting in more bicycle parking. Stop trying to make the poor <br>>parking situation into a money-maker.<br>><br>> Paul<br>><br>> Donovan Arnold wrote: Hansen, you lack imagination or are unaware of <br>>how public transportation funding works. Do you think public <br>>transportation is actually covered by the $1 fee to ride the bus anywhere, <br>>or do you think that the taxpayer slips in most the funding?<br>><br>> Do you think libraries pay for everything through late fees?<br>><br>> No, the costs to the
taxpayer is repaid in savings on the costs for <br>>road repairs, reduction in insurance premiums, and the cost of not <br>>producing more parking spaces. This combined with the charging of a small <br>>fee for the users of the program would cover the costs.<br>><br>> Nobody said anything about free gas. When you rent a car it is filled up <br>>with gas and you are required to return it filled up with gas.<br>><br>> In the Communication Department at UI, most Comm students cannot afford <br>>all the technical equipment of video cameras, editing equipment, special <br>>lenses, etc, so they all pay a fee to pay for communication equipment, in <br>>return, the comm students get to rent the equipment. Do the same thing <br>>with a vehicle program. Students could leave their cars at home, pay a <br>>fee, then access a car on the few occasions that they really need a car.<br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>>
_DJA<br>><br>><br>><br>> Tom Hansen <thansen @moscow.com=""> wrote: v\:* <br>>{behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* <br>>{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} <br>> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } <br>> I am certain that these ideas presented by Arnold will be immediately <br>>adopted once a source of free gasoline and free cars is identified.<br>><br>> Keep us informed, ok?<br>><br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>><br>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention <br>>of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to <br>>skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body <br>>thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
<br>>ride!'"<br>><br>><br>>---------------------------------<br>><br>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <br>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold<br>> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:29 PM<br>> To: Art Deco; Vision 2020<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reducing cars in town<br>><br>><br>> What if the University were to include free ( or reduced price) car <br>>rentals for each student and offered free bus rides to Boise, Twin Falls, <br>>Portland, and Seattle, (and cities in between during vacation times), to <br>>students that elected not to bring a car to the University, which is <br>>unneeded for most on campus living students.<br>><br>> If a student could rent a car from the UI for the day, or a few hours <br>>once in a while, they might elect to do that instead of bringing a car <br>>that eats at their wallet when they really
don't need one most the time. <br>>It would also free up parking spaces on campus and downtown.<br>><br>> Just an idea.<br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>> _DJA<br>><br>><br>><br>> Art Deco <deco @moscow.com=""> wrote:<br>> When I was a student here in 58-62 and 66-69, students were <br>>actively<br>> discouraged from bringing vehicles to the university. Is there any <br>>chance<br>> of reviving that policy?<br>><br>> W.<br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: "david sarff"<br>> To:<br>> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:11 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16<br>><br>><br>> >I would like to see transportation distribution zones that restrict<br>> >vehicles<br>> > by weight class.<br>> > On national and local levels.<br>> ><br>> > Also, it would be great to give the students
incentive to leave their <br>>cars<br>> > home. Offer tuition or housing cost adjustments. Something.<br>> ><br>> > Out of the last 43 years that I can remember of Moscow. The volume of<br>> > traffic seems exponentially larger than the increase in actual <br>>population.<br>> > Growing traffic adds a certain madness to Moscow and to the nation <br>>that I<br>> > certainly would prefer have go away.<br>> ><br>> > By the looks of the developing infeed/outfeed status-quo <br>>infrastructure.<br>> > Traffic pressure does not look as though its going to ease off <br>>anytime<br>> > soon.<br>> ><br>> > Dave Sarff<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >>From: Nils Peterson<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>What a fine opportunity to talk about alternative transportation <br>>modes.<br>> >>Thanks Tom
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