[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006

[rvrcowboy]

Joan,

Why the tirade?  You posted something on a public forum that I believe to be ridiculous.  Dare I suggest to say most of mainstream America would agree with me?  I posted my response to your post and you go off the deep end.

You go on about the 17 different places in the Bible where homosexuality is condemned openly and justify that with the fact that other things are condemed also.  Ok.... fine..   I haven't heard anyone guilty of any of them justifying their sin with..."Oh, well it's all right, the Bible condems homosexuality in the same verse."  If the Bible condems your lifestyle openly 17 times, why would you believe it only makes one very week, veiled (and in fact, non-existent) reference to its justification?  

I don't think anyone reading any of this would believe I am the one who considers himself to be a Biblical expert over your long winded academic, confused tirades.  Check in the mirror, miss self-anointed-expert and clean up your own mess.

Bottom line is this:  I don't care one way or the other what your lifestyle is or how you live personally.  I am a Christian and know the difference between loving the sinner and hating the sin.  All I was ever concerned about was the fact you posted your silly interpretation, justification, whatever you wish to call it... in a public forum and I challenged it.  

I really don't wish to discuss this with you forever, your mind is made up already that you must defend your lifestyle against all arguments, no matter what.  That's alright, I understand.  I also suspect most of the readers of this forum understand.  Except Art maybe.... I am not sure he understands anything.

Dick
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joan Opyr 
  To: rvrcowboy 
  Cc: Vision2020 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006


  On Apr 26, 2006, at 4:57 PM, rvrcowboy wrote:


    4    and Jonathan strippeth himself of the upper robe which is upon him, and giveth it to David, and his long robe, even unto his sword, and unto his bow, and unto his girdle.
     

    Sorry to inform you, Art, but this is simply symbolic of the fact Jonathan is conceeding his royal robe, sword, bow and gear to David in recognition his father is naming David as king. 
     

    It has nothing to do with homosexuality and you would have to have a sick mind to believe so.
     

    Dick



  Ah, we have a Biblical expert on our hands! Wonderful. Care to explain the rest of your Bible to us, Dick? I say "your Bible" because you still haven't told us what translation you're using, or how it is that you think you know the exact nature of David's relationship with Jonathan. Just for the record, I would not and do not claim that David and Jonathan had sex. I don't know what they did. What I do know is that Jonathan loved David, and he bound himself to David, soul to soul. Compare this passage to the passages describing David's mere lust for Bathsheba, and you find something entirely different -- a relationship more meaningful, more full, and more beautiful. That, to me, is interesting.

  About marriage, whether gay or straight: who knows which married couple have sex and which don't? Who knows what kind of sex they have? Missionary, wild and crazy, happy, miserable, forced, enthusiastic, or boring, rote and routine? Marriage law doesn't ask, and married couples are not obliged to tell. If a husband should suffer from ED, are he and his wife no longer married? Particularly if his health won't allow him to take Viagra? Who wants to make that argument? Marriage is about so much more than sex. It's about love, commitment, and responsibility. It's about taking on one another's burdens, in sickness and in health. My "sick mind" extends that relationship to couples of the opposite sex as well as couples of the same sex. No need to get into the gory details of the bedroom, Dick -- not unless you insist, in which case you need to get off this list onto something triple-X.

  Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
  www.joanopyr.com

  PS: By ED, I am referring of course to Erectile Dysfunction, not to Ed Cooper. Unless of course . . . no, I won't go there. That would be too much like Dick.

  PPS: Anyone heard Willie Nelson's new song, "Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other?" It's quite lovely. When I send Greg my Liberal Island recordings, I think I'll attach a copy at the end of each CD.


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