[Vision2020] Learning to read - a First Grade skill

[Donovan Arnold]

Ms. Huskey,

Are you attempting to win points again with straw man
arguments, red herrings, and character attacks? It
appears so.

FACT: Nate Wilson said the total event costs would be
a multitude of $6,000. Notice the lack of the work
"rent", your word and L’s, not his. 

FACT: Saundra called him a liar for this statement.

FACT: The statement made by Nate Wilson has been
proved true by the documentation Mr. Hansen provided
about the event. 

CONCLUSION: Saundra Lund needs to apologize for this
accusation that Nate Wilson lied about the "total cost
of the event" because he did not. 

Everything else you wrote was a red herring to detract
from this truth.

Next, in a childish condescending voice, you spout:

“You tell us, Donovan, why a four day rental (and
don't confuse the issue with such difficult additional
problems as set up and break  down) doesn't  come out
to $8,000?  No answer, Donovan?”

Gladly, the $2000 a day is a total ESTIMATE. This
estimate includes the cost of labor for set-up on the
first day of the event and break down of the event on
the last day. This is listed on page one (1) section
two (2) of the contract. Verify at:
 
http://www.tomandrodna.com/TF2K5/Documents/Contract%20110304.pdf

CC will only be paying for the set up of the chairs
and tables and break down ONCE, not every day.
Therefore, they do not pay the same rate for
additional days on the event, they pay a lesser rate.
This labor of set up and break down is what drives the
cost of the rental.  UI is not going to charge an
organization for the labor of setup it did not
provide. Is this clear, or do I need to explain even
further? Please let me know. 

Finally, you wrote:

“Here is the only real question of interest, why the
donation?   The Idaho constitution appears to forbid
the use of state money for sectarian  events. Don't
believe me, Donovan?  Try this link out:
http://www.idsos.state.id.us/elect/stcon/articl09.htm”

Rose, as already explained, Article IX Section 5 of
the Idaho State Constitution does not prohibit the
donation of services or equipment, just land, money,
and personal property. It clearly states, “nor shall
any grant or donation of land, money or other personal
property ever be made by the state,”.

This means the state cannot give any church a
building, write a check to them for no services
rendered, or donate land. 

Your interpretation means that the UI violated the law
by giving the Muslim Student Association, Campus
Crusade for Christ, and about a dozen other student
religious organizations donated use of UI rooms,
equipment, and furnishings, which it does almost
everyday of the school year.

Are you suggesting that the UI stop donating the use
of rooms, chairs, audio and visual equipment, bulletin
boards and use of copy machine for advertising,
employees to set up arrangements, and access to
computers to religious student organizations? Or are
you saying that just the religious groups you approve
of should have access to state owned property? Should
I notify the Muslim Student Organization and other
Student groups through the ASUI Activities and Events
Coordinators of your intentions? If the UI donates
equipment and services to other religious
organizations it certainly can also do so for Christ
Church as well, and not to would be practicing
discrimination.


Donovan J Arnold

PS. If you change your mind about pursuing donated use
of UI property to relgious organizations let me know,
and I will tell religious student leaders you are
going to lay off them. Otherwise, I will send them an
email of your stated intentions to block UI from
donating use of state property to religious groups
based on Article IX section 5 of the Idaho State
Constitution.

 
--- DonaldH675 at aol.com wrote:

> Visionaries and Donovan,
>  
> Careful reading is a useful skill Donovan - and one
> that seems to have  
> escaped you.
>  
> In fact, the rental for the Kibbie Dome - catch that
> word rental, Donovan? - 
> for the Trinity Festival, an event which runs from 
> Sunday morning until 
> Wednesday night, is $3,000.   Basic math is the next
> skill needed here.  Let's see 
> $3,000 divided by 4  (hold on to you hat, Donovan,
> this is tricky) is 
> $750/day.  It is not  rocket science, it is 4th
> grade math.  And, guess what? It is 
> exactly what  Saundra said it was.
>  
> Are there associated costs?  Of course.  However,
> they are not  rental, they 
> are for setting up - breaking down - and custodial
> service.   They total 
> $6,000.  Hell bells, don't take my word for it -
> take a look at  the actual 
> contract which is scanned and up on line at:
>
_http://www.tomandrodna.com/TF2K5/Documents/Contract%20110304.pdf_
> 
>
(http://www.tomandrodna.com/TF2K5/Documents/Contract%20110304.pdf)
> 
>  
> Further, the standard fee for non-profit
> organizations to rent the Kibbie  
> Dome is $2,000/day (the Dome management figures a 20
> hour day in this  
> situation).  You tell us, Donovan, why a four day
> rental (and don't confuse  the issue 
> with such difficult additional problems  as set up
> and break  down) doesn't 
> come out to $8,000?  No answer, Donovan?  Don't feel
> too  badly about it, the UI 
> doesn't have one either.  Maybe they need you back 
> in the Senate?  No, on 
> second thought, probably not.
>  
> Of course the entire event will cost more than
> $6,300 because more is  
> involved than use of the building.  If one is
> planning a jazzy event, one  needs 
> audio support, stages, chairs, etc.  Let's take a
> close look at that  part of the 
> contract next.  
>
_http://www.tomandrodna.com/TF2K5/Documents/Financial_Estimate_052604_1.pdf_
> 
>
(http://www.tomandrodna.com/TF2K5/Documents/Financial_Estimate_052604_1.pdf)
> 
>  
> Please notice that this is the billing estimate from
> Conferences and  Events.
> Do you see the red box, Donovan?  I grant you that
> the numbers are  hard to 
> read but second grade math comes to the rescue.  The
>  first line below 
> Conferences and Events says:
> PRODUCTION SUPPORT  SUBTOTAL            24,  320.00
>  
>  the next line says: EVENTS SERVICES EQUIPMENT
> DONATIONS (50% OFF) $7,  160.00
>  
> next line:
> PRODUCTION SUPPORT GRAND  TOTAL        $17,160.00
>  
> News Flash, Donovan:  You have just seen the
> operation of subtraction  taking 
> place.  $24,320 minus 7,160 equals:  $17,160.00     
>      
>  
> Here is the only real question of interest, why the
> donation?   The Idaho 
> constitution appears to forbid the use of state
> money for sectarian  events.
> Don't believe me, Donovan?  Try this link out:
>
_http://www.idsos.state.id.us/elect/stcon/articl09.htm_
> 
>
(http://www.idsos.state.id.us/elect/stcon/articl09.htm)
> 
>  
> A summary of the expenditures related to the Kibbie
> Dome and Conferences  and 
> events can be found at: 
>
_http://www.tomandrodna.com/images/Estimated_Program_Budget_110304_01.jpg_
> 
>
(http://www.tomandrodna.com/images/Estimated_Program_Budget_110304_01.jpg)
> 
>  
> However, this is not the end of the story.  Saundra
> and I filed  another 
> public records request today.  This one includes
> copies of  contracts for the use 
> of the Student Union Ballroom, the Arboretum, the
> Golf  Course and the UI 
> Auditorium.  It is our sincere hope that none of
> this  organizations are 
> "donating" any more of our tax dollars to this 
> event.   We shall see, and we shall ask 
> our webmaster to post the  results of our public
> records request, just as we 
> always do.  One  of the many differences between us,
> Donovan, is that we don't 
> blow hot air  and half-assed opinions, we provide
> independent documentation 
> to buttress  our arguments.
>  
> The fact of the matter appears to be, Donovan, that
> either you are  unable or 
> unwilling to absorb the reading material available. 
>  Your email was based on 
> a foundational mis-understanding of the word rent, 
> and an event greater 
> ignorance of the other costly factors involved in
> staging  another non-history 
> conference.
>  
> Your careful editing of Saundra's post, Donovan,
> overlooks the central part  
> of her message which, in essence is the same message
> I posted above.
>  
> "Of *course* your Trinity Festival is going to cost
> more than just the  Dome
> rental because you are making your Festival a
> production :-)  As  you should
> be well aware, the facility rental -- the sole topic
> of my post --  is
> separate from other services provided by say . . .
> Events  Services,
> University Dining Services, ITS Video Services,
> administrative  service fees,
> liability insurance, concession stands, printing,
> security,  etc."
>
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-March/015168.html
>  
> So, Donovan, why don't you turn that clever little
> mind of yours to ponder  
> the meaning of the word "donations." Sort out the
> reason for decreased rental  
> fees (remember the $2,000 x 4 days = $ $8,000.  When
> you get those issues  
> settled maybe then you will have time to explain to
> the rest of us why you  spend 
> so much time spinning your wheels and sputtering
> over  non-issues.
>  
> Rose Huskey
>  
> PS  The only apology due around here is from the
> Kirk - for bringing  this 
> dog and pony show back to the University.
> And by the way, when I add the  $5,000 rent price
> break, to the donation of 
> $7,160 I get $12,160 that is going  scot free to the
> Kirk.  And you know what?  
> I don't feel so good about  that.
>  
>  
>  
> >
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