[WSBARP] WSBARP Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7
Stephen Whitehouse
swhite8893 at aol.com
Tue Jun 8 12:11:21 PDT 2021
Bryce, On serving Wells Fargo, I think you have to serve them at their main office which, as I recall is located in one of the Dakotas. Go figure. Anyway, we have the address. If you call our office some time this afternoon and talk with my assistant, Tammy, she can get it for you. They likely will not respond but you do need to serve them. They are neck and neck with B of A as being the least responsive institution going.
Steve
Stephen WhitehouseWhitehouse & Nichols, LLPP.O. Box 1273601 W. Railroad Ave. Shelton, Wa. 98584360-426-5885swhite8893 at aol.com
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4. Re: The lingering lien (Joseph McIntosh)
5. Re: The lingering lien (John McCrady)
6. Service on Wells Fargo (Bryce Dille)
7. Re: The lingering lien (Inge Fordham)
8. Re: The lingering lien (Andrew Hay)
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 19:10:31 +0000
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Hi Bryce - thanks - I've got the notice going out to builder and lienholder. But the lien was not frivolous when filed because the builder didn't pay, so is it now frivolous now that the time to foreclose has passed. If not, I am wondering if the fees allowed in RCW 60.04.181 would apply in an action to remove the lien.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Ive had great success in having title co insure against it where it is clear that the 8 months have passed and cannot be foreclosed otherwise threaten the lien filer with suit for damages and atty fees under the statute to get them to voluntarily remove it.
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
Office: 360-350-0270
Cell: 253-579-5561
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Subject: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Client has a lien filed May 2020 on his property for a furnace installed during construction. General and furnace supplier got in a fight and bill remains unresolved. Homeowner wants to refi but lien is a cloud on title.
Of course there is a claim against the contractor
No action was filed to foreclose so the lien is not foreclosable. Does the expiration of the lien now make it removable as a frivolous lien? Is there any other way to get fees in an action against the supplier?
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
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I don't think so I note that in action to quiet title to outlawed deed of trust or mortgage under RCW 7.28.300 atty fees are not mentioned as being recoverable
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Hi Bryce - thanks - I've got the notice going out to builder and lienholder. But the lien was not frivolous when filed because the builder didn't pay, so is it now frivolous now that the time to foreclose has passed. If not, I am wondering if the fees allowed in RCW 60.04.181 would apply in an action to remove the lien.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:43 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Ive had great success in having title co insure against it where it is clear that the 8 months have passed and cannot be foreclosed otherwise threaten the lien filer with suit for damages and atty fees under the statute to get them to voluntarily remove it.
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
Office: 360-350-0270
Cell: 253-579-5561
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Subject: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Client has a lien filed May 2020 on his property for a furnace installed during construction. General and furnace supplier got in a fight and bill remains unresolved. Homeowner wants to refi but lien is a cloud on title.
Of course there is a claim against the contractor
No action was filed to foreclose so the lien is not foreclosable. Does the expiration of the lien now make it removable as a frivolous lien? Is there any other way to get fees in an action against the supplier?
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
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Thanks again Bryce - maybe it would be helpful in quiet title cases and declaratory judgment cases to have a discretionary fee award statute like RCW 7.28.085 in adverse possession cases. Gives a little more oomph to the demand to clear up the issue.
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 12:31 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
I don't think so I note that in action to quiet title to outlawed deed of trust or mortgage under RCW 7.28.300 atty fees are not mentioned as being recoverable
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
Office: 360-350-0270
Cell: 253-579-5561
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Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 12:11 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Hi Bryce - thanks - I've got the notice going out to builder and lienholder. But the lien was not frivolous when filed because the builder didn't pay, so is it now frivolous now that the time to foreclose has passed. If not, I am wondering if the fees allowed in RCW 60.04.181 would apply in an action to remove the lien.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:43 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Ive had great success in having title co insure against it where it is clear that the 8 months have passed and cannot be foreclosed otherwise threaten the lien filer with suit for damages and atty fees under the statute to get them to voluntarily remove it.
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
Office: 360-350-0270
Cell: 253-579-5561
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To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Client has a lien filed May 2020 on his property for a furnace installed during construction. General and furnace supplier got in a fight and bill remains unresolved. Homeowner wants to refi but lien is a cloud on title.
Of course there is a claim against the contractor
No action was filed to foreclose so the lien is not foreclosable. Does the expiration of the lien now make it removable as a frivolous lien? Is there any other way to get fees in an action against the supplier?
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
www.washingtonlaw.net<http://www.washingtonlaw.net/>
andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net<mailto:andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:14:54 +0000
From: Joseph McIntosh <jmcintosh at McCarthyHolthus.com>
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Whether holders of time-barred liens have an affirmative duty to release after statute of limitations expiration is an interesting query, something I run into every so often.
As with many statutes governing liens, I assume the duty to release under this particular Act is triggered only upon satisfaction of the secured debt, and not expiration of the statute of limitations for enforcing.
I can see the lienholders argument -- I don't intend to enforce, but.... I'm not obligated to release where there was no payment.
Ultimately, and even though RCW 7.28.085 doesn't authorize an action against a mechanic's lien, I think you can get the court to quiet it from title as time barred through a general quiet title or declaratory relief styled action.
If you want to recover fees, I would additionally look to the existence of a contract with a fee provision, and what recovery it authorizes. Seems like there should be a contractual relationship between the sub and the owner for the lien to be authorized in the first place.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Hay
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 12:55 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Thanks again Bryce - maybe it would be helpful in quiet title cases and declaratory judgment cases to have a discretionary fee award statute like RCW 7.28.085 in adverse possession cases. Gives a little more oomph to the demand to clear up the issue.
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
www.washingtonlaw.net<http://www.washingtonlaw.net/>
andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net<mailto:andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net>
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 12:31 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
I don't think so I note that in action to quiet title to outlawed deed of trust or mortgage under RCW 7.28.300 atty fees are not mentioned as being recoverable
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
Office: 360-350-0270
Cell: 253-579-5561
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To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Hi Bryce - thanks - I've got the notice going out to builder and lienholder. But the lien was not frivolous when filed because the builder didn't pay, so is it now frivolous now that the time to foreclose has passed. If not, I am wondering if the fees allowed in RCW 60.04.181 would apply in an action to remove the lien.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:43 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Ive had great success in having title co insure against it where it is clear that the 8 months have passed and cannot be foreclosed otherwise threaten the lien filer with suit for damages and atty fees under the statute to get them to voluntarily remove it.
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
Office: 360-350-0270
Cell: 253-579-5561
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Andrew Hay
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:35 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Client has a lien filed May 2020 on his property for a furnace installed during construction. General and furnace supplier got in a fight and bill remains unresolved. Homeowner wants to refi but lien is a cloud on title.
Of course there is a claim against the contractor
No action was filed to foreclose so the lien is not foreclosable. Does the expiration of the lien now make it removable as a frivolous lien? Is there any other way to get fees in an action against the supplier?
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
www.washingtonlaw.net<http://www.washingtonlaw.net/>
andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net<mailto:andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:22:13 +0000
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Under the facts you describe I would recommend a talk with the title company; if the lien has expired without any foreclosure action or bankruptcy the title company should be willing to remove it from their title report.
If they won't remove it, try another title company.
John McCrady
Counsel
Puget Sound Title Company
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Subject: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Client has a lien filed May 2020 on his property for a furnace installed during construction. General and furnace supplier got in a fight and bill remains unresolved. Homeowner wants to refi but lien is a cloud on title.
Of course there is a claim against the contractor
No action was filed to foreclose so the lien is not foreclosable. Does the expiration of the lien now make it removable as a frivolous lien? Is there any other way to get fees in an action against the supplier?
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
www.washingtonlaw.net<https://r.xdref.com/?id=157HNpOm063431&from=wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com&to=j.mccrady@pstitle.com&url=http://www.washingtonlaw.net/>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 21:04:32 +0000
From: Bryce Dille <Bryce at dillelaw.com>
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Subject: [WSBARP] Service on Wells Fargo
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I have an adverse possession action in which Wells Fargo has a deed of trust on a portion of the property in question who if anyone can I serve in the state to get good service on them the registered agent is in Ca which mean 60 days may go by before I can finalize action your comments would be appreciated
Bryce H. Dille
Dille Law, PLLC
2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101
Olympia, WA 98502
Office: 360-350-0270
Cell: 253-579-5561
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 21:04:53 +0000
From: Inge Fordham <inge at fordhamlegal.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
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I?ve never had any luck with getting a title company to let this go. I have, however, successfully petitioned the court to order the lien released based on the expiration of the 8-mo. foreclosure period. In my experience, the trick to requesting fees (and actually getting them awarded) is to send correspondence to the contractor ahead of time with an enclosed release of claim of lien and let the contractor know that unless the signed release is returned within XX days, you?ll file a frivolous lien petition and request an award of fees. It?s helpful to show the court you did everything you could before escalating the dispute. It?s a delicate balance, however, as that can also increase costs and fees and courts rarely give a full fee award on a frivolous lien petition (at least in my experience).
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Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 1:25 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Under the facts you describe I would recommend a talk with the title company; if the lien has expired without any foreclosure action or bankruptcy the title company should be willing to remove it from their title report.
If they won?t remove it, try another title company.
John McCrady
Counsel
Puget Sound Title Company
5350 Orchard Street West
University Place WA 98467
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Hay
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 10:35 AM
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Subject: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Client has a lien filed May 2020 on his property for a furnace installed during construction. General and furnace supplier got in a fight and bill remains unresolved. Homeowner wants to refi but lien is a cloud on title.
Of course there is a claim against the contractor
No action was filed to foreclose so the lien is not foreclosable. Does the expiration of the lien now make it removable as a frivolous lien? Is there any other way to get fees in an action against the supplier?
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:26:20 +0000
From: Andrew Hay <andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
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Good idea Ingrid ? thanks! ? I?ll add a lien release to my notice on this.
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Inge Fordham
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 2:05 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
I?ve never had any luck with getting a title company to let this go. I have, however, successfully petitioned the court to order the lien released based on the expiration of the 8-mo. foreclosure period. In my experience, the trick to requesting fees (and actually getting them awarded) is to send correspondence to the contractor ahead of time with an enclosed release of claim of lien and let the contractor know that unless the signed release is returned within XX days, you?ll file a frivolous lien petition and request an award of fees. It?s helpful to show the court you did everything you could before escalating the dispute. It?s a delicate balance, however, as that can also increase costs and fees and courts rarely give a full fee award on a frivolous lien petition (at least in my experience).
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Inge A. Fordham | Attorney
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From: <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of John McCrady <j.mccrady at pstitle.com>
Reply-To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 1:25 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Under the facts you describe I would recommend a talk with the title company; if the lien has expired without any foreclosure action or bankruptcy the title company should be willing to remove it from their title report.
If they won?t remove it, try another title company.
John McCrady
Counsel
Puget Sound Title Company
5350 Orchard Street West
University Place WA 98467
253-476-5721
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Hay
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 10:35 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBARP] The lingering lien
Client has a lien filed May 2020 on his property for a furnace installed during construction. General and furnace supplier got in a fight and bill remains unresolved. Homeowner wants to refi but lien is a cloud on title.
Of course there is a claim against the contractor
No action was filed to foreclose so the lien is not foreclosable. Does the expiration of the lien now make it removable as a frivolous lien? Is there any other way to get fees in an action against the supplier?
Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 S. 34th St.
Tacoma, WA 98418
www.washingtonlaw.net<https://r.xdref.com/?id=157HNpOm063431&from=wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com&to=j.mccrady@pstitle.com&url=http://www.washingtonlaw.net/>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 17:37:30 +0000
From: Catherine Clark <Cat at loccc.com>
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Subject: [WSBARP] Counsel in Oklahoma City
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Looking to chat with someone about the real estate market and practices in Oklahoma City for a client who is moving there.
Any names appreciated.
Catherine "Cat" Clark
Law Office of Catherine C. Clark PLLC
2200 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1250
Seattle, WA 98121
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 10:48:01 -0700
From: Teague Pasco <pasco at pasco-law.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Possible Referral on Sound Transit Matter ---
not condemnation, but relocation --King County
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See relocation cheat sheet attached. The authority is 49 CFR Subpart D -
Payments for Moving and Related Expenses - ?24.304 Reestablishment. I did
a little digging - the $50,000 cap for non-residential reestablishment
expenses is set in RCW 8.26.035(d). The federal limit is now $25,000 (the
CFR is currently being revised), but states can set their own amounts.
Teague Pasco
1214 S. 68th St.
Tacoma WA 98408
pasco at pasco-law.com
Mobile: 360-643-3990
On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 11:48 AM Ronald L. Coleman <rcoleman at dpearson.com>
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> Transit for referral of the client to deal with relocation expenses where
> the issue is the position on Sound Transit in claiming some expenses are
> not to be paid pursuant to the relocation agreement with the client because
> Sound Transit claims they are capital improvements, and not a relocation
> expense. This is not a condemnation matter. If you have that experience,
> please email me your contact information.
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> Thank you.
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