[WSBARP] [WSBAPT] Update on Changes to the RPPT Listservs

Tue Mar 19 10:11:47 PDT 2019

I think you should have lead with the last part first--that people can 
still be members of the real property group without maintaining active 
membership.

Depending on what happens with the mandatory malpractice insurance 
topic, that might apply to a lot more people moving forward.  My bar 
license costs 6x what my real estate license does, and if they add 
having to pay for malpractice insurance that will exclude any of my real 
estate activities I'll be gone from the bar.

Kary L. Krismer
John L. Scott/KMS Renton
206 723-2148

On 3/19/2019 10:02 AM, Michael Safren wrote:
> Hello Listservers:
>
> I received an inquiry about the decision to move the Listservs to a 
> members only model with respect to certain emeritus members such as 
> retired attorneys, law professors, and others.
>
> The Executive Committee had a lengthy debate about creating some sort 
> of emeritus member status for the Listserves and ultimately decided 
> not to proceed in that direction.  There were a multitude of reasons 
> for this decision.
>
> First, the administration of such a process would be impractical.  
>  Creating an emeritus status for just the Listservs would require a 
> host of technical changes to the login credentials to create a 
> "Listserv only" login.  Further it would require a manual process of 
> checking whether those requesting emeritus status were members were in 
> fact former members of the bar as well as deciding which statuses 
> (there is no emeritus status with WSBA) would qualify for emeritus 
> status.  This process would grow exponentially as the year go by and 
> more and more practitioners continue to retire.
>
> The Executive Committee was also concerned that granting emeritus 
> status to certain non-members could bring up questions of fairness 
> over participation. While a number of section members expressed their 
> support for the emeritus status, a number of members all expressed 
> disapproval that non-members were able to gain member benefits.  
>  Moreover, there is no ready criteria for determining which Listserv 
> participants qualified as emeritus and which did not.
>
> Lastly, the Executive Committee reasoned that emeritus members could 
> still participate in the Listserv simply by paying the $25 section 
> membership dues.  Emeritus members would not need to pay full bar 
> dues, only the RPPT section member dues to be considered section 
> members.  While emeritus members participation in the Listserv could 
> help section members who use the Listserv, the Executive Committee 
> believes that the benefit of participating in the Listserv also runs 
> to the emeritus member, connecting them to the world of active 
> practitioners, and helping emeritus members stay engaged with the 
> practice of law.
>
> I hope this helps to explain and clarify the Executive Committee's 
> decision on this point.
>
> Kind regards,
> Michael Safren
> Web Editor, RPPT section
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:27 AM Paul Neumiller <pneumiller at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:pneumiller at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Michael, thank you for the information.  How did the section
>     leadership decide how to handle the membership requirement for
>     those individuals who would be beneficial to the listservs, such
>     as retired attorneys, senior title officers, and law professors? 
>     Considering the many list-serv members who chimed in that they
>     wanted the listserv to retain such valuable listserv members who
>     are not members of the section, surely the section leadership
>     addressed the issue.
>
>     *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>     <mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>     <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>     <mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> *On Behalf Of *Michael
>     Safren
>     *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2019 10:40 PM
>     *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
>     <mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>; WSBA Real Property Listserv
>     <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
>     *Subject:* [WSBAPT] Update on Changes to the RPPT Listservs
>
>     Hello Fellow Listservs:
>
>     I wanted to provide you all with an update on recent changes to
>     the RPPT Listservs (both the Probate and Trust and the Real
>     Property Listservs).
>
>     The RPPT Executive Committee voted to move the Listservs from an
>     open subscriber model, where anyone could subscribe and
>     participate in the Listserv to a members only model, where only
>     RPPT section members could participate in the Listserv.
>
>     This transition will be accomplished via a two fold change. First,
>     the online resources to access the subscription email addresses,
>     archives, and Listserv guidelines, rules, and etiquette have all
>     been moved behind the member login page on the wsbarppt.com
>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwsbarppt.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C11d0c8e40ee148e1d4e308d6ac2e2778%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636885711561184044&sdata=l1jhOgmQ9eJgcHS10t%2FkXkcgc86otozy8QYJixpb4d0%3D&reserved=0>
>     website.  This Listserv resources page can be found by clicking on
>     the For Members tab and require your RPPT login credentials.  This
>     will prevent non-members from accessing the Listserv.
>
>     The second change will be to ask subscribers to re-validate their
>     subscription by going back to the Listserv page to re-subscribe,
>     which will require login credentials that only section members
>     possess.  Many of you may have already received notices asking you
>     to re-subscribe or to re-validate your subscriptions.  If you have
>     not yet re-validated your subscription, please keep an eye out for
>     an upcoming message inviting you to re-validate your subscription.
>
>     We hope that these changes will improve the Listerv experience for
>     users and that Listserv members will experience only minor
>     disruption as we implement these changes.  If you experience any
>     problems with the Listserv, please let me know and I'll do my best
>     to resolve any Listserv issues.
>
>     Kind regards,
>
>     Michael Safren
>
>     Web Editor, RPPT section
>
>     ***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not
>     restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing
>     attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields,
>     and others.***
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