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<p>I think you should have lead with the last part first--that
people can still be members of the real property group without
maintaining active membership.</p>
<p>Depending on what happens with the mandatory malpractice
insurance topic, that might apply to a lot more people moving
forward. My bar license costs 6x what my real estate license
does, and if they add having to pay for malpractice insurance that
will exclude any of my real estate activities I'll be gone from
the bar. <br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
John L. Scott/KMS Renton
206 723-2148</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/19/2019 10:02 AM, Michael Safren
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Listservers:
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<div>I received an inquiry about the decision to move the
Listservs to a members only model with respect to certain
emeritus members such as retired attorneys, law professors,
and others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Executive Committee had a lengthy debate about creating
some sort of emeritus member status for the Listserves and
ultimately decided not to proceed in that direction. There
were a multitude of reasons for this decision. </div>
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</div>
<div>First, the administration of such a process would be
impractical. Creating an emeritus status for just the
Listservs would require a host of technical changes to the
login credentials to create a "Listserv only" login. Further
it would require a manual process of checking whether those
requesting emeritus status were members were in fact former
members of the bar as well as deciding which statuses (there
is no emeritus status with WSBA) would qualify for emeritus
status. This process would grow exponentially as the year go
by and more and more practitioners continue to retire. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Executive Committee was also concerned that granting
emeritus status to certain non-members could bring up
questions of fairness over participation. While a number of
section members expressed their support for the emeritus
status, a number of members all expressed disapproval that
non-members were able to gain member benefits. Moreover,
there is no ready criteria for determining which Listserv
participants qualified as emeritus and which did not. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lastly, the Executive Committee reasoned that emeritus
members could still participate in the Listserv simply by
paying the $25 section membership dues. Emeritus members
would not need to pay full bar dues, only the RPPT section
member dues to be considered section members. While emeritus
members participation in the Listserv could help section
members who use the Listserv, the Executive Committee believes
that the benefit of participating in the Listserv also runs to
the emeritus member, connecting them to the world of active
practitioners, and helping emeritus members stay engaged with
the practice of law.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope this helps to explain and clarify the Executive
Committee's decision on this point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Michael Safren</div>
<div>Web Editor, RPPT section </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:27
AM Paul Neumiller <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">pneumiller@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Michael, thank you for the
information. How did the section leadership decide
how to handle the membership requirement for those
individuals who would be beneficial to the listservs,
such as retired attorneys, senior title officers, and
law professors? Considering the many list-serv
members who chimed in that they wanted the listserv to
retain such valuable listserv members who are not
members of the section, surely the section leadership
addressed the issue. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
<<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Safren<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 18, 2019 10:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a
href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>;
WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Update on Changes to the RPPT
Listservs</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Fellow Listservs:</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I wanted to provide you all with
an update on recent changes to the RPPT Listservs
(both the Probate and Trust and the Real Property
Listservs). </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The RPPT Executive Committee
voted to move the Listservs from an open subscriber
model, where anyone could subscribe and participate
in the Listserv to a members only model, where only
RPPT section members could participate in the
Listserv. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This transition will be
accomplished via a two fold change. First, the
online resources to access the subscription email
addresses, archives, and Listserv guidelines, rules,
and etiquette have all been moved behind the member
login page on the <a
href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwsbarppt.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C11d0c8e40ee148e1d4e308d6ac2e2778%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636885711561184044&sdata=l1jhOgmQ9eJgcHS10t%2FkXkcgc86otozy8QYJixpb4d0%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
wsbarppt.com</a> website. This Listserv resources
page can be found by clicking on the For Members tab
and require your RPPT login credentials. This will
prevent non-members from accessing the Listserv.</p>
</div>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The second change will be to ask
subscribers to re-validate their subscription by
going back to the Listserv page to re-subscribe,
which will require login credentials that only
section members possess. Many of you may have
already received notices asking you to re-subscribe
or to re-validate your subscriptions. If you have
not yet re-validated your subscription, please keep
an eye out for an upcoming message inviting you to
re-validate your subscription. </p>
</div>
<div>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We hope that these changes will
improve the Listerv experience for users and that
Listserv members will experience only minor
disruption as we implement these changes. If you
experience any problems with the Listserv, please
let me know and I'll do my best to resolve any
Listserv issues.</p>
</div>
<div>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Safren</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Web Editor, RPPT section</p>
</div>
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</div>
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***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is
not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include
non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working
in related fields, and others.***<br>
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt</a></blockquote>
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