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    <p>I think you should have lead with the last part first--that
      people can still be members of the real property group without
      maintaining active membership.</p>
    <p>Depending on what happens with the mandatory malpractice
      insurance topic, that might apply to a lot more people moving
      forward.  My bar license costs 6x what my real estate license
      does, and if they add having to pay for malpractice insurance that
      will exclude any of my real estate activities I'll be gone from
      the bar.  <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
John L. Scott/KMS Renton 
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/19/2019 10:02 AM, Michael Safren
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hello Listservers:
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        <div>I received an inquiry about the decision to move the
          Listservs to a members only model with respect to certain
          emeritus members such as retired attorneys, law professors,
          and others.</div>
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        <div>The Executive Committee had a lengthy debate about creating
          some sort of emeritus member status for the Listserves and
          ultimately decided not to proceed in that direction.  There
          were a multitude of reasons for this decision.  </div>
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        <div>First, the administration of such a process would be
          impractical.   Creating an emeritus status for just the
          Listservs would require a host of technical changes to the
          login credentials to create a "Listserv only" login.  Further
          it would require a manual process of checking whether those
          requesting emeritus status were members were in fact former
          members of the bar as well as deciding which statuses (there
          is no emeritus status with WSBA) would qualify for emeritus
          status.  This process would grow exponentially as the year go
          by and more and more practitioners continue to retire.  </div>
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        <div>The Executive Committee was also concerned that granting
          emeritus status to certain non-members could bring up
          questions of fairness over participation. While a number of
          section members expressed their support for the emeritus
          status, a number of members all expressed disapproval that
          non-members were able to gain member benefits.   Moreover,
          there is no ready criteria for determining which Listserv
          participants qualified as emeritus and which did not.    </div>
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        <div>Lastly, the Executive Committee reasoned that emeritus
          members could still participate in the Listserv simply by
          paying the $25 section membership dues.  Emeritus members
          would not need to pay full bar dues, only the RPPT section
          member dues to be considered section members.  While emeritus
          members participation in the Listserv could help section
          members who use the Listserv, the Executive Committee believes
          that the benefit of participating in the Listserv also runs to
          the emeritus member, connecting them to the world of active
          practitioners, and helping emeritus members stay engaged with
          the practice of law.</div>
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        <div>I hope this helps to explain and clarify the Executive
          Committee's decision on this point.</div>
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        <div>Kind regards,</div>
        <div>Michael Safren</div>
        <div>Web Editor, RPPT section </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:27
          AM Paul Neumiller <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">pneumiller@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                  Roman",serif">Michael, thank you for the
                  information.  How did the section leadership decide
                  how to handle the membership requirement for those
                  individuals who would be beneficial to the listservs,
                  such as retired attorneys, senior title officers, and
                  law professors?  Considering the many list-serv
                  members who chimed in that they wanted the listserv to
                  retain such valuable listserv members who are not
                  members of the section, surely the section leadership
                  addressed the issue.  </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
                  href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
                <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Safren<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 18, 2019 10:40 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a
                  href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>;
                WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
                  href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Update on Changes to the RPPT
                Listservs</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Fellow Listservs:</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I wanted to provide you all with
                    an update on recent changes to the RPPT Listservs
                    (both the Probate and Trust and the Real Property
                    Listservs).  </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">The RPPT Executive Committee
                    voted to move the Listservs from an open subscriber
                    model, where anyone could subscribe and participate
                    in the Listserv to a members only model, where only
                    RPPT section members could participate in the
                    Listserv.  </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">This transition will be
                    accomplished via a two fold change. First, the
                    online resources to access the subscription email
                    addresses, archives, and Listserv guidelines, rules,
                    and etiquette have all been moved behind the member
                    login page on the <a
href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwsbarppt.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C11d0c8e40ee148e1d4e308d6ac2e2778%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636885711561184044&sdata=l1jhOgmQ9eJgcHS10t%2FkXkcgc86otozy8QYJixpb4d0%3D&reserved=0"
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                      wsbarppt.com</a> website.  This Listserv resources
                    page can be found by clicking on the For Members tab
                    and require your RPPT login credentials.  This will
                    prevent non-members from accessing the Listserv.</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">The second change will be to ask
                    subscribers to re-validate their subscription by
                    going back to the Listserv page to re-subscribe,
                    which will require login credentials that only
                    section members possess.  Many of you may have
                    already received notices asking you to re-subscribe
                    or to re-validate your subscriptions.  If you have
                    not yet re-validated your subscription, please keep
                    an eye out for an upcoming message inviting you to
                    re-validate your subscription. </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">We hope that these changes will
                    improve the Listerv experience for users and that
                    Listserv members will experience only minor
                    disruption as we implement these changes.  If you
                    experience any problems with the Listserv, please
                    let me know and I'll do my best to resolve any
                    Listserv issues.</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Michael Safren</p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Web Editor, RPPT section</p>
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          not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include
          non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working
          in related fields, and others.***<br>
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