[WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs

Thu Jan 17 11:59:18 PST 2019

I believe what Chris mentions is even worse than what he mentions.  I 
believe anyone can view the archives of the emails just by doing a 
Google search. They don't need to join.  Here's an example.

http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/2017-May/004823.html

I raised this as an issue about a year ago when I realized it was so public.

Kary L. Krismer
206 723-2148

On 1/17/2019 11:34 AM, Chris Benis wrote:
>
> As a member of the Executive Committee, I think someone should be 
> responding on the intent of the change.
>
>
> First, let me say that retired practitioners weren’t the target of the 
> changes.  While I am reluctant to speak for anyone but myself, I will 
> just say, that I wasn’t even considering that as an issue.  Now, that 
> it has been raised, I believe it will be seriously considered at the 
> next EC meeting of the section.
>
> Second, everyone might be asking, what was the purpose of the change?  
> Simply stated, many (such as myself) were unaware that our RPPT 
> listserv was an entirely open forum, which anyone could join.  For 
> example, pro se litigants could join and pose/monitor/respond to 
> questions.  There were issues regarding potential /ex parte/ contact 
> with represented litigants who could similarly join the listserv.  And 
> down the rabbit hole we go…. asking how much of an open v. closed 
> forum it should be.
>
> So, I thought (again, I only want to speak for myself) it would be 
> best for everyone using the listserv if the participants were 
> primarily attorneys (with limited exceptions for law students, title 
> officers, etc…).  But I don’t recall any intention to “cut off” access 
> of retired section members.
>
> Chris Benis
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> *From:*wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com 
> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Carl Gay
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 11:19 AM
> *To:* 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real 
> Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs
>
> I have been a Section member for nearly 40 years.
>
> The points raised by Rick Hoss and Katherine Laird are excellent and 
> should be honored.
>
> I hope Michael Safren will consider them. obtain input from the 
> Section leadership, and the proposed new policy will be modified.
>
> Many thanks to ALL who support the spirit of these listservs (can 
> someone explain why it’s not spelled “listserve”…..it just seems sooo 
> wrong….?)
>
> CARL LLOYD GAY
>
> *what counts in life is what we do for others*
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> *From:*wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com 
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> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Laird, Katherine
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 11:07 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real 
> Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs
>
> Not to mention, some of the retired and non-practicing lawyers may 
> know where those old wills and trusts may reside.
>
> This listserv have constantly impressed me with the wealth of 
> knowledge, willingness to share and overall comradery.  It will be a 
> great loss of institutional knowledge, commentary and thoughtful 
> responses for all who participate now.
>
> Katherine Laird
>
> (one of those non-practicing types)
>
> *From:*wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com 
> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> 
> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com 
> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> *On Behalf Of *Rick Hoss
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:28 AM
> *To:* 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com 
> <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real 
> Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs
>
> *[EXTERNAL]*
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> We must find a way to keep our retired members on this listserv. I 
> recall several posts from Rebecca Wiess that caused me to change my 
> mind, and practice. Retired smart lawyers posting should be encouraged 
> not banished.
>
> *From:*wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com 
> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> 
> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Safren
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 9:18 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property 
> and the Probate & Trust Listservs
>
> Hello Fellow Listservers:
>
> I wanted to provide another reminder to all listserv users of the 
> scheduled updates and upcoming changes to both the Real Property and 
> Probate & Trust Listservs.
>
> Starting February 1st, 2019, both listservs will only be accessible by 
> WSBA RPPT members. The RPPT Executive Committee decided after much 
> deliberation and input that the listservs should be an exclusive 
> member benefit.  Starting February 1st, 2019, you will need to login 
> into the www.wsbarppt.com <http://www.wsbarppt.com/> website using 
> your section login and password in order to register for the listserv, 
> access the listserv archives, and/or unsubscribe to the listserv.
>
> Further, the Executive Committee has approved the adoption of new 
> guidelines, rules, and general etiquette for the listserv.  These will 
> be posted on www.wsbarppt,com <http://www.wsbarppt,com> under the 
> listserv tab for all members to see and review.
>
> Lastly, beginning on February 1st, 2019, all listserv postings will 
> contain a disclaimer in the footer reminding all that while the 
> listservs will be restricted to RPPT section members, not all section 
> members are practicing attorneys.  Section membership is open to law 
> students, non-practicing members of the bar, and even some 
> non-attorney professionals in related fields such as title officers, 
> real estate agents, and escrow agents.
>
> The Executive Committee believes that these changes will improve the 
> listserv experience for section members and deliver value to members 
> as one of many available section member benefits.
>
> I hope to make the transition to the members only listserv as seamless 
> as possible  If you experience any difficulty during the transition, 
> please feel free to email me and I will do my best to respond and 
> assist you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Michael Safren
>
> Web Editor, RPPT Section
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