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<p>I believe what Chris mentions is even worse than what he
mentions. I believe anyone can view the archives of the emails
just by doing a Google search. They don't need to join. Here's an
example. <br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/2017-May/004823.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/2017-May/004823.html</a></p>
<p>I raised this as an issue about a year ago when I realized it was
so public.</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
206 723-2148</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/17/2019 11:34 AM, Chris Benis
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a member of the Executive Committee, I think someone should
be responding on the intent of the change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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First, let me say that retired practitioners weren’t the
target of the changes. While I am reluctant to speak for
anyone but myself, I will just say, that I wasn’t even
considering that as an issue. Now, that it has been raised,
I believe it will be seriously considered at the next EC
meeting of the section.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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change? Simply stated, many (such as myself) were unaware
that our RPPT listserv was an entirely open forum, which
anyone could join. For example, pro se litigants could join
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go…. asking how much of an open v. closed forum it should
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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I thought (again, I only want to speak for myself) it would
be best for everyone using the listserv if the participants
were primarily attorneys (with limited exceptions for law
students, title officers, etc…). But I don’t recall any
intention to “cut off” access of retired section members.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Gay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2019 11:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laird, Katherine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2019 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes
to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust
Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not
to mention, some of the retired and non-practicing lawyers
may know where those old wills and trusts may reside.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This
listserv have constantly impressed me with the wealth of
knowledge, willingness to share and overall comradery. It
will be a great loss of institutional knowledge, commentary
and thoughtful responses for all who participate now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Katherine
Laird
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(one
of those non-practicing types)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick Hoss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <<a
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes
to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust
Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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must find a way to keep our retired members on this
listserv. I recall several posts from Rebecca Wiess that
caused me to change my mind, and practice. Retired smart
lawyers posting should be encouraged not banished.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Safren<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2019 9:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv; WSBA Probate &
Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the
Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Fellow Listservers:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wanted to provide another reminder to
all listserv users of the scheduled updates and upcoming
changes to both the Real Property and Probate & Trust
Listservs.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Starting February 1st, 2019, both
listservs will only be accessible by WSBA RPPT members.
The RPPT Executive Committee decided after much
deliberation and input that the listservs should be an
exclusive member benefit. Starting February 1st, 2019,
you will need to login into the <a
href="http://www.wsbarppt.com/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.wsbarppt.com</a> website
using your section login and password in order to register
for the listserv, access the listserv archives, and/or
unsubscribe to the listserv. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Further, the Executive Committee has
approved the adoption of new guidelines, rules, and
general etiquette for the listserv. These will be posted
on
<a href="http://www.wsbarppt,com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.wsbarppt,com</a>
under the listserv tab for all members to see and review.<o:p></o:p></p>
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2019, all listserv postings will contain a disclaimer in
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and even some non-attorney professionals in related fields
such as title officers, real estate agents, and escrow
agents. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Executive Committee believes that
these changes will improve the listserv experience for
section members and deliver value to members as one of
many available section member benefits.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope to make the transition to the
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