[WSBARP] Trustee Sale Lien Notice continued....

Sun Nov 11 14:34:17 PST 2018

There was a time when most trustees were attorneys, and most would share
litigation reports reasonably freely with other attorneys, and sometimes
with the public. Then came foreclosure trustee companies, and the U Too Can
Make Money on Foreclosed Property advisors. Free peeks at trustee’s report
evaporated.  

I would add to Rob’s list:

Trace down the foreclosure debtor, and/or debtor’s last attorney. That may
bring you The Rest of the Story. 

Rebecca K. Wiess

421 24th Avenue East

Seattle, WA  98112

Phone 206 329-6638

rwiess at foxinternet.net  

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[mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wilson-Hoss
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:45 AM
To: 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Trustee Sale Lien Notice continued....

This is what I have learned about buying at trustee or sheriff sales:

1.     title. Either buy a guarantee, or at least an ownership history, from
a title company. At a bare minimum have someone who understands how to do
this look at the Auditor's files, knowing that they make indexing mistakes
often. Best to spend the money on a title company. Run the owners' names
through the auditor and court files to see if there are any judgments. 

2.     find out from the trustee whom they notified at every event, in
writing. Trustees often do incomplete work around identifying and noticing
subordinate interest holders who would be foreclosed out but weren't
notified. 

3.     if anything comes up, be merciless in running it to the ground.
Unreconveyed but obviously paid off deeds of trust, unfulfilled real estate
contracts 45 years ago, plats with easements in them, everything.

4.     go to the county and/or city and look at their building and planning
and health department (septic, well) files. Any issues, be merciless. Do not
just hope they will go away.

5.     go look at it for encroachments and so on. If you can, talk to the
neighbors. Look at it as carefully as you can for condition issues.

6.     if it is in a HOA, talk to them about their issues.

7.     absolutely understand the property tax status. 

Others will be able to add to this list. 

If everything is clean, great. If not, none of the problems are likely to go
away just because you want them to later on. This is not as easy a path to
free money as it sometimes seems. 

Rob

Robert D. Wilson-Hoss 
Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP 
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[mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of nestor at pplsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Trustee Sale Lien Notice continued....

Wise advice. I have seen numerous times where a party bought a property at a
foreclosure or Trustee sale, and not realize that the sale was based upon  a
second mortgage or HOA.  The excuse was they didn’t think a title search or
investigation was necessary.

Keep in mind the cost of re-foreclose, and consider offering them some money
for a release of judgment lien.

Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law

Licensed in Washington & Florida

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On Behalf Of Rod Harmon
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Trustee Sale Lien Notice continued....

This is why I don’t let my clients buy at trustee sales unless I have done a
title search and prepared an abstract, and reviewed the trustee’s records to
make sure it gave notice to all the parties with a lien or interest in the
property.  And then told them not to do it anyway.

The criminal judgment doesn’t get a gratuitous bump-up in priority, though.
Your client is subrogated to the beneficiary’s position. The solution for
your client is re-foreclosure to eliminate the criminal judgment.  

Rod Harmon

RODNEY T. HARMON

       Attorney at Law

         P.O. Box 1066

      Bothell, WA   98041

     Tel:   (425) 402-7800

     Fax:  (425) 458-9096

    www.rodharmon.com

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[mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bess Derting
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 12:01 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBARP] Trustee Sale Lien Notice continued....

   The prior email sent too early!!  Here is the rest:     

         Client purchased property at a Trustee's Sale in May 2018.  

         Client remodeled the house and put it up for sale.  

          A Superior Court criminal judgment for $25,728 appeared on title
for a 2014 monetary judgment against the previous landowner.

           The Trustee did not give notice of the foreclosure to the
judgement creditor

            The Trustee did not obtain a Trustee's Sale Guarantee, instead
they obtained a "Two Owner Foreclosure Report" from Title Solutions, Inc.
The report only showed documents recorded with the County Auditor, it did
not show the criminal judgment.  At the end of the report the following
language appears "This information is taken from the public record and is
made available for your use.  This is not to be interpreted as a title
report or condition of title; we assume no responsibility for its contents".

            Since the criminal judgment creditor did not receive notice of
the Trustee's Sale the title company still shows the criminal judgment on
title.

           The Trustee denies it was their responsibility to give notice to
ALL lien holders.

Suggestions? Case Law?

Thank you!

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Mary E. (Bess) Derting

Derting & Appel, PLLC
Attorneys At Law
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Okanogan, WA 98840
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