[WSBAPT] Immediate Sale of House

[Brent Williams-Ruth]

The concern is that by not paying off the reverse mortgage, they are adding
$1800 per month in additional expenses.  The decedent died with only $6,000
in liquid assets. Everything else is the residential real estate, any value
for the garage sale of items that no one wants from the family, and then
the car (estimated blue book value of $5k).

I appreciate the responses - I feel validated that there is room for
concern.

*Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)
*Attorney-At-Law*

*Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC*

*Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003*

***EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY** All mail sent through the USPS should be sent to
the following address: **PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *

Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751

Direct: (253) 285-7453

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:26 AM Heather de Vrieze <
heatherd at westseattlelaw.com> wrote:

> Why is the agent pushing for this sale if it is not going to be listed on
> the open market? Who are the proposed buyer(s)? I would push back on this.
> I don’t know why a court would support this request either, without more
> background.
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> Often it is possible to get an estimate from DSHS of the anticipated lien
> amount. A DSHS lien won’t itself make the estate insolvent, but if there is
> any question that their lien will not be paid in full, they would have a
> thought about the sale price, if it isn’t sold on the open market.
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> Having said that, I frequently advise clients that it is perfectly
> reasonable to liquidate assets within the creditor claim period, but only
> if being done properly and for fair market value. It often helps to have a
> smaller estate ready to distribute shortly after the claim period is up,
> especially when markets are uncertain and values may decline during
> administration and/or the best time/season to sell is shortly after death.
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> Heather
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 10:49 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <WSBAPT at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] Immediate Sale of House
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> Greetings -
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> I have a client where there is question about overall solvency as they do
> not know what any total medicaid lien would be and whether there is room
> for negotiation (keep in mind, we haven't even presented a petition yet).
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> There is real property - house - with a reverse mortgage and a real estate
> agent who is pushing them (and subsequently me) to obtain an order from the
> court granting the right to sell the house for the appraisal value done by
> the agent as being the "market value" immediately upon opening of probate
> with the idea that it will save the estate money in additional interest. '
>
>
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> This is a first for me - I have never had a real estate agent pushing my
> clients to sell immediately. There is a reasonable belief there are no
> unknown creditors but generally, I advise clients to wait until after the
> notice to creditor period before selling off assets - especially since the
> sale is not going to be public. It will never be actually listed on the MLS
> so whether someone may come and offer more than the list price is unknown.
>
>
>
> This makes me uneasy - but at the same time I have covered my own self and
> will acquiesce to the clients instruction as to I don't believe it to be 1)
> unethical or 2) illegal.
>
>
>
> Would love to hear from the group.
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>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Brent
>
> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)
> *Attorney-At-Law*
>
> *Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC*
>
> *Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003*
>
> ***EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY**** All mail sent through the USPS should be
> sent to the following address: PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *
>
> Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751
>
> Direct: (253) 285-7453
>
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