[WSBAPT] Spying on Conversation

Thu Jul 29 14:01:09 PDT 2021

Thank you for everyone who has responded. Allow me to give more context.
1) The Executor is not a vulnerable adult other than they lost their spouse
and have no children.
2) This is a huge cultural thing in that the extended family have stepped
in to assist and take care of each other
3) The Executor knew that a "security system" was installed after
Decedent's passing for their safety and security.  What they did NOT know
is who has access to it AND that it records audio conversation.
4) The Executor does NOT want me to call the police on their family member
5) Decedent died 2 years ago - the criminal violation (a gross misdemeanor)
would be literally for EVERYONE who has come into that house over the last
two years. I agree though, with the COVID backlog, there will be no
criminal actions and the problem with civil claims would be what is the
damage that I have suffered other than being extremely irritated that this
family member has spied on their relative for two years?

I am not certain what I will do. Right now, I am thinking about using the
legal aspect as leverage for the family member to come and remove the
Security/AV recording devices and make them pay for a third party security
system to be installed where the Executor is trained on how to use it for
their own protection. I will also confess that this has caused many
feelings. I know that Siri/Alexa are listening - proof is simply the
advertisements that show up in Facebook after I have talked about my desire
to scuba dive Fiji....amazing how the Fiji vacation packages are
everywhere.  I guess that knowing that a specific person is behind a camera
and not just a nameless/faceless corporation and their capitalistic
intentions hits on an entirely different level.

Appreciate the validation that this IS NOT OK.
Brent

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On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:24 PM James W. Spencer <
jamess at brothershenderson.com> wrote:

> Brent:
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> Wow. That’s a new one for me too. I would call the police but expect the
> “this is really a civil matter” response (even though it is not). Seems
> like a protective/restraining order of some sort could be useful as well.
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> Please let us know how this plays out!
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> Best wishes,
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> James
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <
> wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Grant
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2021 11:34 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Spying on Conversation
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> It is a criminal violation in Washington State to tape without consent.  I
> would call the police.
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> *Joshua F. Grant*
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> Wilbur, WA 99185
> 509 647 5578
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> *From:* Diane J. Kiepe
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> *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2021 11:23 AM
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> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
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> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Spying on Conversation
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> Just when I think I have seen it all…….I have no good thoughts but would
> love to hear how things shake out.  Please let us know if your time allows
> as it goes forward.
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> *Diane J. Kiepe*
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> Diane J. Kiepe
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> Douglas Eden
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> 717 W. Sprague Ave.
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> Spokane, WA  99201
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> djkiepe at depdslaw.com
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> 509-455-5300
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <
> wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Brent Williams-Ruth
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2021 11:03 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <WSBAPT at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] Spying on Conversation
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> Greetings List -
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>
> I just had a non-beneficiary family member send me an email detailing his
> rebuttal and defense to a conversation that I had with an Executor in their
> own home.  I reached out to my Executor and asked if she had spoken with
> this person - they said no.
>
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> What we have a situation where I traveled to the Executor's home and the
> conversation - without my knowledge or consent - was recorded in both video
> (which I saw) but also audio. It is clear that this family member has set
> up a comprehensive recording system in the Executor's home without even
> having their knowledge or consent.
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>
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> Any advice (other than call the police)?
>
>
>
> Brent
>
> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (preferred pronoun: he/him)
> *Attorney-At-Law*
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> *Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC*
>
> *Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003*
>
> ***EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY**** All mail sent through the USPS should be
> sent to the following address: PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *
>
> Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751
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