<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Thank you for everyone who has responded. Allow me to give more context. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">1) The Executor is not a vulnerable adult other than they lost their spouse and have no children. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">2) This is a huge cultural thing in that the extended family have stepped in to assist and take care of each other</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">3) The Executor knew that a "security system" was installed after Decedent's passing for their safety and security. What they did NOT know is who has access to it AND that it records audio conversation. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">4) The Executor does NOT want me to call the police on their family member</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">5) Decedent died 2 years ago - the criminal violation (a gross misdemeanor) would be literally for EVERYONE who has come into that house over the last two years. I agree though, with the COVID backlog, there will be no criminal actions and the problem with civil claims would be what is the damage that I have suffered other than being extremely irritated that this family member has spied on their relative for two years?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I am not certain what I will do. Right now, I am thinking about using the legal aspect as leverage for the family member to come and remove the Security/AV recording devices and make them pay for a third party security system to be installed where the Executor is trained on how to use it for their own protection. I will also confess that this has caused many feelings. I know that Siri/Alexa are listening - proof is simply the advertisements that show up in Facebook after I have talked about my desire to scuba dive Fiji....amazing how the Fiji vacation packages are everywhere. I guess that knowing that a specific person is behind a camera and not just a nameless/faceless corporation and their capitalistic intentions hits on an entirely different level. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Appreciate the validation that this IS NOT OK. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Brent</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent
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</p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">facebook</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> / </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:24 PM James W. Spencer <<a href="mailto:jamess@brothershenderson.com">jamess@brothershenderson.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wow. That’s a new one for me too. I would call the police but expect the “this is really a civil matter” response (even though it is not). Seems like a protective/restraining order of some sort could be useful as well.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">James W. Spencer</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">It is a criminal violation in Washington State to tape without consent. I would call the police.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> Thursday, July 29, 2021 11:23 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;color:black">Just when I think I have seen it all…….I have no good thoughts but would love to hear how things shake out. Please let us know if your time allows as it goes forward.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 29, 2021 11:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Spying on Conversation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I just had a non-beneficiary family member send me an email detailing his rebuttal and defense to a conversation that I had with an Executor in their own home. I reached out to my
Executor and asked if she had spoken with this person - they said no. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">What we have a situation where I traveled to the Executor's home and the conversation - without my knowledge or consent - was recorded in both video (which I saw) but also audio.
It is clear that this family member has set up a comprehensive recording system in the Executor's home without even having their knowledge or consent.
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