[WSBAPT] Division of property at a passing. Will vs. TOD

Mon Jul 15 13:41:08 PDT 2019

Did it in Pierce County in 2014.
Regards, Tom 

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From: Ken Luce <Ken.Luce at lucelawfirm.com> 
Date: 07/15/2019  12:54 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Division of property at a passing. Will vs. TOD 

I am concerned the division wouldn’t occur if a trust is involved and not a probate.

Ken Luce

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Division of property at a passing. Will vs. TOD

The subdivision laws of RCW 58.17 do not apply to: Divisions made by testamentary provisions, or the laws of descent. RCW 58.17.040(3)

Don’t know if that applies to TOD Deed. I would argue it is not a testamentary document and is not part of the laws of decent, but have no knowledge about any case
 saying so. In my practice I would not try it.

I can say from experience as recent as 2 years that the testamentary subdivision if properly called out in a Last Will and Testament will be honored  by the planning
 departments of Pierce and Thurston Counties. It does not require a court order and is not done in probate; it has to be specifically done in the Will or Trust.

Sincerely,

Tom

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Division of property at a passing. Will vs. TOD

I know the division-by-inheritance is possible in theory, but as a practical matter the resultant lots still have to meet zoning and land use requirements to
 be buildable, so I have always assumed this theoretical right is basically useless.

That said, I don't think there is any case law yet on the question of whether or not a TOD deed can accomplish the same kind of non-conforming land subdivision.
 I would probably start by re-reading the case opinion that allowed the subdivision by Will to figure out the legal rationale, and see how closely it might apply to a TOD deed.

Sincerely,

Eric

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My old understanding is that the separation of powers idea gives a Court Order the same effect as an Administrative lot line adjustment but I have not seen anyone do it. I don't see how a deed in probate would
 rise to the level of an Order but I agree why not since the Deed references the probate no. etc

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Subject: [WSBAPT] Division of property at a passing. Will vs. TOD

From: Ken Luce <Ken.Luce at lucelawfirm.com>

Date: Mon, July 15, 2019 9:59 am

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If a person can designate property in a probate to avoid the line adjustment process can the same be done by tod deeds that contain the same legals to avoid probate?

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