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<div>Did it in Pierce County in 2014.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Tom </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Ken Luce <Ken.Luce@lucelawfirm.com> <br>Date: 07/15/2019 12:54 PM (GMT-08:00) <br>To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com> <br>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Division of property at a passing. Will vs. TOD <br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am concerned the division wouldn’t occur if a trust is involved and not a probate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Westbrook<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The subdivision laws of RCW 58.17 do not apply to: Divisions made by testamentary provisions, or the laws of descent. RCW 58.17.040(3)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Don’t know if that applies to TOD Deed. I would argue it is not a testamentary document and is not part of the laws of decent, but have no knowledge about any case
saying so. In my practice I would not try it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I can say from experience as recent as 2 years that the testamentary subdivision if properly called out in a Last Will and Testament will be honored by the planning
departments of Pierce and Thurston Counties. It does not require a court order and is not done in probate; it has to be specifically done in the Will or Trust.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2019 10:36 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I know the division-by-inheritance is possible in theory, but as a practical matter the resultant lots still have to meet zoning and land use requirements to
be buildable, so I have always assumed this theoretical right is basically useless.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">That said, I don't think there is any case law yet on the question of whether or not a TOD deed can accomplish the same kind of non-conforming land subdivision.
I would probably start by re-reading the case opinion that allowed the subdivision by Will to figure out the legal rationale, and see how closely it might apply to a TOD deed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">My old understanding is that the separation of powers idea gives a Court Order the same effect as an Administrative lot line adjustment but I have not seen anyone do it. I don't see how a deed in probate would
rise to the level of an Order but I agree why not since the Deed references the probate no. etc</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">If a person can designate property in a probate to avoid the line adjustment process can the same be done by tod deeds that contain the same legals to avoid probate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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