[Vision2020] As goes Idaho, so goes the nation.

Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
Thu Nov 10 20:13:00 PST 2016

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Linda Pall <lpall at moscow.com> wrote:

So things change... Life goes on within you and with out you...

I instantly recalled George Harrison's sitar India
music/spirituality influenced song "Within You Without You" from Sgt.
Peppers by the Beatles.  I thus wondered if you were quoting this song, or
some other source, or you may have constructed this adage entirely on your

Given Trump's presidential win was in part inspired by appealing to
xenophobia and other forms of hate, it appears many voters were not as
enlightened as the message in this song.

Rudy Giuliani publicly called Trump protestors, since the presidential win,
"spoiled crybabies."  What mentality would inspire this attack
against protesting a candidate who employed lying and hate mongering, like
Trump, to win the presidency?  Perhaps he would also label Rosa Parks a
"spoiled crybaby?"


Within You Without You

George Harrison

We were talking about the space between us all
And the people who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth, then it's far too late, when they pass away
We were talking about the love we all could share
When we find it, to try our best to hold it there with our love
With our love, we could save the world, if they only knew

Try to realise it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
And to see you're really only very small
And life flows on within you and without you

We were talking about the love that's gone so cold
And the people who gain the world and lose their soul
They don't know, they can't see, are you one of them?

When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find
Peace of mind is waiting there
And the time will come when you see we're all one
And life flows on within you and without you


Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Linda Pall <lpall at moscow.com> wrote:

Dear Visionaries,
> Shock and awe is all I can say this morning.  I am really dismayed by this
> election of someone whose words have spoken volumes about his feelings
> about racial issues, criminal justice, immigration, international
> relations, disabled people, religious liberty and women. What we must do
> now is to work hard for real progressive outcomes that bring to the people
> of America what we need and want in our lives.
> Just a comment about the 2000 election: I was certainly affected by the
> George Bush surge in electoral turnout, as the Democratic candidate for
> Idaho's First District! Even so, I did rather better than the base
> Democratic vote in Idaho which is about 25%.  I can share with many of you
> a nostalgic fondness for Shirley Ringo as our Representative...
> So things change... Life goes on within you and with out you...
> Linda Pall
> -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Ringo
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:13 AM
> To: Chuck Kovis ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] As goes Idaho, so goes the nation.
> Depends on what you mean.  Since doubt 1996, the highest % any
> presidential candidate has gotten in Idaho  is 36%.  That was Obama in
> 2008 and that was not a predictor of national results.
> In 2000, George Bush shocked us and turnout for him swamped many
> legislative candidates, that seemed a lot like this year.
> Shirley
> On 11/9/16, 8:38 AM, "Chuck Kovis" <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on
> behalf of ckovis at turbonet.com> wrote:
> A few years ago I said on this list serve that "As goes Idaho, so goes
>> the nation."  Someone on this list serve took me to task (Mr. Marcy?)
>> Want to eat them words now?  Chuck Kovis
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