[Vision2020] Victims and Perpetrators

[Tom Hansen]

My argument did not concern criminalizing/legalization of abortion.  My argument concerned the amount of abortions performed.  My apology was made after I researched and realized that there had been more than 54 million abortions performed since Roe v. Wade in 1973 (a claim made by Mr. Crabtree, although citing a lame source). 

No.  I do not consider fetuses to be children . . . and strongly support the continued legalization of abortion as a final option.

I thought you knew me better than that, Saundra.  Everybody else on the Viz does.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
  
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
> 
> ROTFLMAO – leave it to Gary to try to incorrectly insist that fetuses are “children,” which was his initial claim, an assertion not even his own links  make.
>  
> Tom, I’d take back your apology, unless you share the notion that a fetus is something other than a fetus or potential child.  And, if a fetus is a child, then the biggest abortionist of all time is none other than God.
>  
> Saundra
>  
>  
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:29 PM
> To: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; bmerkle at nsa.edu
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Victims and Perpetrators
>  
> Actually I offered up three different sources. The one you are referring to is the first where by Politifact​ verifies Rep. Smiths assertion. Politifact is not noted for a conservative or pro life bent. If you had read the piece, you would know what sources and studies they used to arrive at their conclusion. Should you then find that it fails to satisfy your stringent requirements for documentation you will have to simply imagine my deep and bitter disappointment.
>  
> g
>  
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:
> That is NOT substantiation, Mr. Crabtree.  You simply echoed an unsubstantiated claim made by Rep. Christopher Smith (R-NJ).  Substantiation generally includes a citable source . . . not simply because somebody said so.
>  
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>  
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>  
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>  
> - John Lennon
> 
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/
>  
> http://www.crescentcitytimes.com/?p=12253​
>  
> http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130126/AGGREGATION/130129300/0/NEWS0603
>  
> Need more?
>  
> g
>  
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:
> Mr . Crabtree-
>  
> Care to share substantiation for you claim of " . . . 54,000,000 plus children".  Or is this simply more hot air?
> 
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>  
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>  
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>  
> - John Lennon
> 
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 54,000,000 plus children
>  
>  
> =======================================================
> List services made available by First Step Internet,
> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>               http://www.fsr.net
>          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> =======================================================
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20150802/d5a6c4d7/attachment-0001.html>