<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>My argument did not concern criminalizing/legalization of abortion. My argument concerned the amount of abortions performed. My apology was made after I researched and realized that there had been more than 54 million abortions performed since Roe v. Wade in 1973 (a claim made by Mr. Crabtree, although citing a lame source). </div><div><br></div><div>No. I do not consider fetuses to be children . . . and strongly support the continued legalization of abortion as a final option.</div><div><br></div><div>I thought you knew me better than that, Saundra. Everybody else on the Viz does.<br><br><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div></div><div><br>On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">ROTFLMAO – leave it to Gary to try to incorrectly insist that fetuses are “children,” which was his initial claim, an assertion not even his own links make.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Tom, I’d take back your apology, unless you share the notion that a fetus is something other than a fetus or <b>potential</b> child. And, if a fetus is a child, then the biggest abortionist of all time is none other than God.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Saundra<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Crabtree<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:bmerkle@nsa.edu">bmerkle@nsa.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Victims and Perpetrators<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Actually I offered up three different sources. The one you are referring to is the first where by Politifact</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> verifies Rep. Smiths assertion. Politifact is not noted for a conservative or pro life bent. If you had read the piece, you would know what sources and studies they used to arrive at their conclusion. Should you then find that it fails to satisfy your stringent requirements for documentation you will have to simply imagine my deep and bitter disappointment.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">g<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" target="_blank">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">That is NOT substantiation, Mr. Crabtree. You simply echoed an unsubstantiated claim made by Rep. Christopher Smith (R-NJ). Substantiation generally includes a citable source . . . not simply because somebody said so.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black">http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">- John Lennon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/" target="_blank">http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.crescentcitytimes.com/?p=12253" target="_blank">http://www.crescentcitytimes.com/?p=12253</a></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130126/AGGREGATION/130129300/0/NEWS0603" target="_blank">http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130126/AGGREGATION/130129300/0/NEWS0603</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Need more?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">g<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" target="_blank">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mr . Crabtree-<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Care to share substantiation for you claim of " . . . 54,000,000 plus children". Or is this simply more hot air?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black">http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">- John Lennon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">54,000,000 plus children<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br><span> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br><span>=======================================================</span></div></blockquote></body></html>