[Vision2020] Missing emails

Mike Harshbarger mike at harshbarger.org
Fri May 23 20:57:01 PDT 2014 

I agree with the complaints. Hiding the poster identities is awful. At
least I know what the fallout is now.

I have reverted the list configuration to what it was previously before
this long weekend starts.

Mike Harshbarger

Systems / Network Administrator

First Step Internet - http://www.fsr.com/

208.882.8869 or 888.676.6377 x470



On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Moscow/Latah county community discussion <
vision2020 at moscow.com> wrote:

> Uh, it appears from here that the solution is more of a pain then the
> problem. I appreciate a quick response to a perceived problem but, perhaps
> a little more noggin time prior to implementation of remedial action?
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> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Moscow/Latah county community discussion
> <vision2020 at moscow.com> wrote:
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>> So, Reply All will no longer work, and we’ll have no idea who posts are
>> from if the person chooses not to sign their emails?
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>> FWIW, that strategy has been an epic FAIL for Yahoo and Yahoo Groups.
>> For those interested in seeing the fallout, check out any of the managers
>> forums there for discussions on the flawed way Yahoo & Yahoo Groups have
>> implemented  DMARC.  Alternatively, one could likely use your favorite
>> search engine to search for Yahoo DMARC.
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>> Seems kind of weird for V2020 to voluntarily go in a direction those with
>> far more technical understanding than I all seem to think that with respect
>> to Yahoo Mail & Yahoo Groups is fatally flawed & driving people away to
>> alternatives?
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>> On the plus side, we can all expect the spam sent to email addressed used
>> to post to V2020 to stop.  Every time I post to V2020, I get a flood of
>> spam to that email address for several days to weeks.
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>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Moscow/Latah county
>> community discussion list
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 3:51 PM
>> *To:* viz
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Missing emails
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>> In fact, I'm going to use this audience as guinea pigs and try a fix.
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>> From now on, any posting you receive from Vision2020 will appear to come
>> directly from the list address instead of from the user's email address who
>> posted. I don't know what kind of fallout this will have besides avoiding
>> the Yahoo problem. It will likely cause an anonymity problem in that the
>> original sender's identity is going to be completely stripped out of the
>> email headers and can't be displayed by your email client.
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>> (This is my personal email account, but I'm actually First Step's email
>> admin responsible for upkeep on this particular mail server and its lists.
>> I always pay attention to Vision2020 because it's usually an early
>> indicator of list server problems and can be fun to read at the same time.)
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>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Mike Harshbarger <mike at harshbarger.org>
>> wrote:
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>> Yahoo has recently started telling other email providers to use very
>> strict, draconian anti-spam policy when it comes to receiving mail from @
>> yahoo.com email addresses. They tell other email providers to reject any
>> mail coming from @yahoo.com email addresses that didn't originate from
>> Yahoo's own servers.
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>> Here's a rather technical story on it:
>> http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html
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>> So when a Yahoo email user sends a post through the Vision2020 list
>> server, that posting comes from the Vision2020 server (which is not Yahoo),
>> and is rejected by email service providers who abide by Yahoo's DMARC
>> policies.
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>> This will require a change in all list server configurations here soon as
>> more and more service providers start using the DMARC system. First Step
>> itself doesn't pay attention to any DMARC policies, but I'm sure other big
>> email providers like gmail and hotmail do.
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>> Note that this is also likely the cause of some Vision2020 users having
>> their subscriptions suspended... because of all the @yahoo.com posts
>> coming from the Vision2020 server being rejected.
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>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For what it's worth, Paul Rumelhart's (but not only his) Vision2020 posts
>> have repeatedly been diverted to my Gmail spam folder recently, while most
>> posts end up in the inbox...
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>> This is new behavior for my Gmail account, given for years of using Gmail
>> to receive Vision2020, almost no Vision2020 posts have beeen diverted to
>> the spam folder.
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>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Just FYI if anyone else is having this same issue, but I'm not directly
>> receiving any of Paul's or Tucker's yahoo.com emails.  I'm seeing what
>> they wrote as they're listed in Tom's replies and I also see that their
>> emails are making it into the archives.  I'll see if the wizards at fsr can
>> fix this for me.
>>
>> -Scott
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