[Vision2020] Missing emails

[Moscow/Latah county community discussion]

Sounds like an idea to me.

One option, to those of us with First Step mail accounts, is to post to
the Viz from the First Step web mail assistant at:.

https://secure.fsr.com/src/webmail.php

. . . at least until this is worked out.

Tom Hansen
Moscow. Idaho






> Uh, it appears from here that the solution is more of a pain then the
> problem. I appreciate a quick response to a perceived problem but, perhaps
> a little more noggin time prior to implementation of remedial action?
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> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Moscow/Latah county community discussion
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> vision2020 at moscow.com> wrote:
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>> So, Reply All will no longer work, and we’ll have no idea who posts
>> are
>> from if the person chooses not to sign their emails?
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>> FWIW, that strategy has been an epic FAIL for Yahoo and Yahoo Groups.
>> For
>> those interested in seeing the fallout, check out any of the managers
>> forums there for discussions on the flawed way Yahoo & Yahoo Groups have
>> implemented  DMARC.  Alternatively, one could likely use your favorite
>> search engine to search for Yahoo DMARC.
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>>
>> Seems kind of weird for V2020 to voluntarily go in a direction those
>> with
>> far more technical understanding than I all seem to think that with
>> respect
>> to Yahoo Mail & Yahoo Groups is fatally flawed & driving people away to
>> alternatives?
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>> On the plus side, we can all expect the spam sent to email addressed
>> used
>> to post to V2020 to stop.  Every time I post to V2020, I get a flood of
>> spam to that email address for several days to weeks.
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>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Moscow/Latah county
>> community discussion list
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 3:51 PM
>> *To:* viz
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Missing emails
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>> In fact, I'm going to use this audience as guinea pigs and try a fix.
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>> From now on, any posting you receive from Vision2020 will appear to come
>> directly from the list address instead of from the user's email address
>> who
>> posted. I don't know what kind of fallout this will have besides
>> avoiding
>> the Yahoo problem. It will likely cause an anonymity problem in that the
>> original sender's identity is going to be completely stripped out of the
>> email headers and can't be displayed by your email client.
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>>
>> (This is my personal email account, but I'm actually First Step's email
>> admin responsible for upkeep on this particular mail server and its
>> lists.
>> I always pay attention to Vision2020 because it's usually an early
>> indicator of list server problems and can be fun to read at the same
>> time.)
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>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Mike Harshbarger <mike at harshbarger.org>
>> wrote:
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>> Yahoo has recently started telling other email providers to use very
>> strict, draconian anti-spam policy when it comes to receiving mail from
>> @
>> yahoo.com email addresses. They tell other email providers to reject any
>> mail coming from @yahoo.com email addresses that didn't originate from
>> Yahoo's own servers.
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>> Here's a rather technical story on it:
>> http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html
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>> So when a Yahoo email user sends a post through the Vision2020 list
>> server, that posting comes from the Vision2020 server (which is not
>> Yahoo),
>> and is rejected by email service providers who abide by Yahoo's DMARC
>> policies.
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>> This will require a change in all list server configurations here soon
>> as
>> more and more service providers start using the DMARC system. First Step
>> itself doesn't pay attention to any DMARC policies, but I'm sure other
>> big
>> email providers like gmail and hotmail do.
>>
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>> Note that this is also likely the cause of some Vision2020 users having
>> their subscriptions suspended... because of all the @yahoo.com posts
>> coming from the Vision2020 server being rejected.
>>
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>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> For what it's worth, Paul Rumelhart's (but not only his) Vision2020
>> posts
>> have repeatedly been diverted to my Gmail spam folder recently, while
>> most
>> posts end up in the inbox...
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>> This is new behavior for my Gmail account, given for years of using
>> Gmail
>> to receive Vision2020, almost no Vision2020 posts have beeen diverted to
>> the spam folder.
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>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Just FYI if anyone else is having this same issue, but I'm not directly
>> receiving any of Paul's or Tucker's yahoo.com emails.  I'm seeing what
>> they wrote as they're listed in Tom's replies and I also see that their
>> emails are making it into the archives.  I'll see if the wizards at fsr
>> can
>> fix this for me.
>>
>> -Scott
>>
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>>  List services made available by First Step Internet,
>>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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>>           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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>>  List services made available by First Step Internet,
>>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>>                http://www.fsr.net
>>           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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>  List services made available by First Step Internet,
>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>                http://www.fsr.net
>           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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