[Vision2020] Missing emails

Fri May 23 16:45:23 PDT 2014

Uh, it appears from here that the solution is more of a pain then the
problem. I appreciate a quick response to a perceived problem but, perhaps
a little more noggin time prior to implementation of remedial action?

g

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Moscow/Latah county community discussion <
vision2020 at moscow.com> wrote:

> So, Reply All will no longer work, and we’ll have no idea who posts are
> from if the person chooses not to sign their emails?
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> FWIW, that strategy has been an epic FAIL for Yahoo and Yahoo Groups.  For
> those interested in seeing the fallout, check out any of the managers
> forums there for discussions on the flawed way Yahoo & Yahoo Groups have
> implemented  DMARC.  Alternatively, one could likely use your favorite
> search engine to search for Yahoo DMARC.
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> Seems kind of weird for V2020 to voluntarily go in a direction those with
> far more technical understanding than I all seem to think that with respect
> to Yahoo Mail & Yahoo Groups is fatally flawed & driving people away to
> alternatives?
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> On the plus side, we can all expect the spam sent to email addressed used
> to post to V2020 to stop.  Every time I post to V2020, I get a flood of
> spam to that email address for several days to weeks.
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Moscow/Latah county
> community discussion list
> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 3:51 PM
> *To:* viz
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Missing emails
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> In fact, I'm going to use this audience as guinea pigs and try a fix.
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> From now on, any posting you receive from Vision2020 will appear to come
> directly from the list address instead of from the user's email address who
> posted. I don't know what kind of fallout this will have besides avoiding
> the Yahoo problem. It will likely cause an anonymity problem in that the
> original sender's identity is going to be completely stripped out of the
> email headers and can't be displayed by your email client.
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> (This is my personal email account, but I'm actually First Step's email
> admin responsible for upkeep on this particular mail server and its lists.
> I always pay attention to Vision2020 because it's usually an early
> indicator of list server problems and can be fun to read at the same time.)
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> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Mike Harshbarger <mike at harshbarger.org>
> wrote:
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> Yahoo has recently started telling other email providers to use very
> strict, draconian anti-spam policy when it comes to receiving mail from @
> yahoo.com email addresses. They tell other email providers to reject any
> mail coming from @yahoo.com email addresses that didn't originate from
> Yahoo's own servers.
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> Here's a rather technical story on it:
> http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html
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> So when a Yahoo email user sends a post through the Vision2020 list
> server, that posting comes from the Vision2020 server (which is not Yahoo),
> and is rejected by email service providers who abide by Yahoo's DMARC
> policies.
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> This will require a change in all list server configurations here soon as
> more and more service providers start using the DMARC system. First Step
> itself doesn't pay attention to any DMARC policies, but I'm sure other big
> email providers like gmail and hotmail do.
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> Note that this is also likely the cause of some Vision2020 users having
> their subscriptions suspended... because of all the @yahoo.com posts
> coming from the Vision2020 server being rejected.
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> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
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> For what it's worth, Paul Rumelhart's (but not only his) Vision2020 posts
> have repeatedly been diverted to my Gmail spam folder recently, while most
> posts end up in the inbox...
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> This is new behavior for my Gmail account, given for years of using Gmail
> to receive Vision2020, almost no Vision2020 posts have beeen diverted to
> the spam folder.
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> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Just FYI if anyone else is having this same issue, but I'm not directly
> receiving any of Paul's or Tucker's yahoo.com emails.  I'm seeing what
> they wrote as they're listed in Tom's replies and I also see that their
> emails are making it into the archives.  I'll see if the wizards at fsr can
> fix this for me.
>
> -Scott
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