<div dir="ltr"><div>Uh, it appears from here that the solution is more of a pain then the problem. I appreciate a quick response to a perceived problem but, perhaps a little more noggin time prior to implementation of remedial action?</div>
<div><br></div><div>g</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Moscow/Latah county community discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So, Reply All will no longer work, and we’ll have no idea who posts are from if the person chooses not to sign their emails?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">FWIW, that strategy has been an epic FAIL for Yahoo and Yahoo Groups. For those interested in seeing the fallout, check out any of the managers forums there for discussions on the flawed way Yahoo & Yahoo Groups have implemented DMARC. Alternatively, one could likely use your favorite search engine to search for Yahoo DMARC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Seems kind of weird for V2020 to voluntarily go in a direction those with far more technical understanding than I all seem to think that with respect to Yahoo Mail & Yahoo Groups is fatally flawed & driving people away to alternatives? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">On the plus side, we can all expect the spam sent to email addressed used to post to V2020 to stop. Every time I post to V2020, I get a flood of spam to that email address for several days to weeks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Moscow/Latah county community discussion list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 23, 2014 3:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> viz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Missing emails<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">In fact, I'm going to use this audience as guinea pigs and try a fix.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From now on, any posting you receive from Vision2020 will appear to come directly from the list address instead of from the user's email address who posted. I don't know what kind of fallout this will have besides avoiding the Yahoo problem. It will likely cause an anonymity problem in that the original sender's identity is going to be completely stripped out of the email headers and can't be displayed by your email client.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(This is my personal email account, but I'm actually First Step's email admin responsible for upkeep on this particular mail server and its lists. I always pay attention to Vision2020 because it's usually an early indicator of list server problems and can be fun to read at the same time.)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Mike Harshbarger <<a href="mailto:mike@harshbarger.org" target="_blank">mike@harshbarger.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yahoo has recently started telling other email providers to use very strict, draconian anti-spam policy when it comes to receiving mail from @<a href="http://yahoo.com" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a> email addresses. They tell other email providers to reject any mail coming from @<a href="http://yahoo.com" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a> email addresses that didn't originate from Yahoo's own servers. <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Here's a rather technical story on it: <a href="http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html" target="_blank">http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">So when a Yahoo email user sends a post through the Vision2020 list server, that posting comes from the Vision2020 server (which is not Yahoo), and is rejected by email service providers who abide by Yahoo's DMARC policies.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This will require a change in all list server configurations here soon as more and more service providers start using the DMARC system. First Step itself doesn't pay attention to any DMARC policies, but I'm sure other big email providers like gmail and hotmail do.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Note that this is also likely the cause of some Vision2020 users having their subscriptions suspended... because of all the @<a href="http://yahoo.com" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a> posts coming from the Vision2020 server being rejected.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">For what it's worth, Paul Rumelhart's (but not only his) Vision2020 posts have repeatedly been diverted to my Gmail spam folder recently, while most posts end up in the inbox... <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This is new behavior for my Gmail account, given for years of using Gmail to receive Vision2020, almost no Vision2020 posts have beeen diverted to the spam folder.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-right:0in;margin-left:4.8pt">
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Just FYI if anyone else is having this same issue, but I'm not directly receiving any of Paul's or Tucker's <a href="http://yahoo.com" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a> emails. I'm seeing what they wrote as they're listed in Tom's replies and I also see that their emails are making it into the archives. I'll see if the wizards at fsr can fix this for me.<span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><br>
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