[Vision2020] Missing emails

Fri May 23 21:14:25 PDT 2014

Thanks, your efforts are greatly appreciated. Worry about this minor
annoyance
come Tuesday and enjoy a long weekend.

g

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Mike Harshbarger <mike at harshbarger.org>wrote:

> I agree with the complaints. Hiding the poster identities is awful. At
> least I know what the fallout is now.
>
> I have reverted the list configuration to what it was previously before
> this long weekend starts.
>
> Mike Harshbarger
>
> Systems / Network Administrator
>
> First Step Internet - http://www.fsr.com/
>
> 208.882.8869 or 888.676.6377 x470
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>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Moscow/Latah county community discussion
> <vision2020 at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> Uh, it appears from here that the solution is more of a pain then the
>> problem. I appreciate a quick response to a perceived problem but, perhaps
>> a little more noggin time prior to implementation of remedial action?
>>
>> g
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Moscow/Latah county community discussion
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, Reply All will no longer work, and we’ll have no idea who posts are
>>> from if the person chooses not to sign their emails?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FWIW, that strategy has been an epic FAIL for Yahoo and Yahoo Groups.
>>> For those interested in seeing the fallout, check out any of the managers
>>> forums there for discussions on the flawed way Yahoo & Yahoo Groups have
>>> implemented  DMARC.  Alternatively, one could likely use your favorite
>>> search engine to search for Yahoo DMARC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems kind of weird for V2020 to voluntarily go in a direction those
>>> with far more technical understanding than I all seem to think that with
>>> respect to Yahoo Mail & Yahoo Groups is fatally flawed & driving people
>>> away to alternatives?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the plus side, we can all expect the spam sent to email addressed
>>> used to post to V2020 to stop.  Every time I post to V2020, I get a flood
>>> of spam to that email address for several days to weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Moscow/Latah county
>>> community discussion list
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 3:51 PM
>>> *To:* viz
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Missing emails
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, I'm going to use this audience as guinea pigs and try a fix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From now on, any posting you receive from Vision2020 will appear to come
>>> directly from the list address instead of from the user's email address who
>>> posted. I don't know what kind of fallout this will have besides avoiding
>>> the Yahoo problem. It will likely cause an anonymity problem in that the
>>> original sender's identity is going to be completely stripped out of the
>>> email headers and can't be displayed by your email client.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (This is my personal email account, but I'm actually First Step's email
>>> admin responsible for upkeep on this particular mail server and its lists.
>>> I always pay attention to Vision2020 because it's usually an early
>>> indicator of list server problems and can be fun to read at the same time.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Mike Harshbarger <mike at harshbarger.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yahoo has recently started telling other email providers to use very
>>> strict, draconian anti-spam policy when it comes to receiving mail from @
>>> yahoo.com email addresses. They tell other email providers to reject
>>> any mail coming from @yahoo.com email addresses that didn't originate
>>> from Yahoo's own servers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's a rather technical story on it:
>>> http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So when a Yahoo email user sends a post through the Vision2020 list
>>> server, that posting comes from the Vision2020 server (which is not Yahoo),
>>> and is rejected by email service providers who abide by Yahoo's DMARC
>>> policies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This will require a change in all list server configurations here soon
>>> as more and more service providers start using the DMARC system. First Step
>>> itself doesn't pay attention to any DMARC policies, but I'm sure other big
>>> email providers like gmail and hotmail do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that this is also likely the cause of some Vision2020 users having
>>> their subscriptions suspended... because of all the @yahoo.com posts
>>> coming from the Vision2020 server being rejected.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  For what it's worth, Paul Rumelhart's (but not only his) Vision2020
>>> posts have repeatedly been diverted to my Gmail spam folder recently, while
>>> most posts end up in the inbox...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is new behavior for my Gmail account, given for years of using
>>> Gmail to receive Vision2020, almost no Vision2020 posts have beeen diverted
>>> to the spam folder.
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just FYI if anyone else is having this same issue, but I'm not directly
>>> receiving any of Paul's or Tucker's yahoo.com emails.  I'm seeing what
>>> they wrote as they're listed in Tom's replies and I also see that their
>>> emails are making it into the archives.  I'll see if the wizards at fsr can
>>> fix this for me.
>>>
>>> -Scott
>>>
>>>
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