[Vision2020] Political correctness run amok

Sat May 3 00:31:53 PDT 2014

Sue,

Kudos to you for not knee jerking like so many others when anyone cries 'racism' on a list server.  I'm not all that thrilled either about a private conversation being turned into a viral sensation and a public relations nightmare.  But there is no way to unring this bell and the NBA needs to protect their billion dollar empire so things just move on to the next phase of issuing the max penalty levied by the NBA (no brainer as Donovan pointed out) and ultimately forcing Sterling to sell the team.  I'm guessing that V. Stiviano won't be able to find another billionaire sugar daddy but might be able to land a good size payday for a tell all book.  She might also get a pretty penny for posing in a nudie magazine or two.

-Scott

From: suehovey at moscow.com
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 17:56:51 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run amok

Sure, I know that.  And Tinker wasn’t a good example for me to use for 
that reason.  But,  I still think the application of the principal is 
the same.  Now folks are calling it a privacy issue. That’s 
interesting.  A goodly number are really selective about what constitutes a 
right to privacy.  If it’s a woman’s right to choose (for example) there is 
no right to privacy, they say.  

Sue 

From: Sunil 
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:22 AM
To: vision 2020 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run 
amok

Sue,

The First Amendment was implicated in Tinker because 
the school board is a state actor. It's not implicated here because the NBA is 
not a state actor.

Sunil

From: suehovey at moscow.com
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; 
vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:09:39 -0700
Subject: Re: 
[Vision2020] Political correctness run amok

But in Tinker v. Des Moines SD the issue was all about 1st Amendment Rights 
and did not involve government censorship or prosecution...made clear in the 
case...nevertheless the ruling was her first amendment rights “did not stop at 
the school house door.”  
sue h 

From: Scott Dredge 
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:50 PM
To: viz 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run 
amok

Donald Sterling's First Amendment rights are fully intact as he's 
not facing censorship from the government and he's also not facing prosecution 
for what he said in private.  Apparently on the same tape, Sterling said 'I 
love black people', but the conversation needs to be taking in totality and full 
context and not reduced, as usual, to only a few sound bytes that resonate with 
Tom Hansen rendering a verdict & decree.

Also interesting to note is 
that the NAACP was planning to give Sterling a 2nd lifetime achievement award on 
May 15th.  Sterling received his first NAACP award 5 years ago.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/donald-sterling-naacp-award

All 
of this is so...what's the right phrase...black and white?

-Scott

On Apr 29, 2014, at 3:19 PM, "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com> 
wrote:

  Frankly, I think he’s a “dirty old man” with a great looking young woman 
  friend, and his prejudices and bigotry extend far beyond what he has just 
  said.  Even so,  it would seem to me he has a First Amendment right 
  to say what he thinks.  Not knowing what the bylaws of the NBA say to 
  this issue, I do wonder how they can ban him from games when he owns the team, 
  and I imagine the courts will be asked to resolve that issue. If the KKK has a 
  First Amendment right to march down the streets of American cities (and I 
  don’t argue they do) then maybe Magic Johnson should just have to “suck it 
  up.”   I believe the First Amendment is precious...and yes, there 
  are consequences for speech that harms, but we have to be very wary of 
  consequences for something that is purely speech and not overt behavior, which 
  is discrimination and often illegal.  

  Perhaps the NBA could look into the Cliven Bundy case and remove him from 
  his ranch just as Sterling has been removed from the Arena.  Well maybe 
  their bylaws don’t extend that far.  Damn.    

  Sue H. 

  From: Ron Force 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:14 PM
  To: Gary Crabtree ; Paul 
  Rumelhart 
  Cc: Vision 2020 
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run 
  amok

  It wasn't just "black people" dude, it was Magic 
  Johnson!

  Ron Force 
Moscow Idaho USA

  On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:59 PM, Gary 
  Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> 
  wrote:

    The guy should be thanking his lucky stars that he wasn't illegally 
    taped stating that he believed that marriage should be between a man and a 
    women exclusively. They would be calling for a total confiscation of all his 
    worldly goods and a summary execution.

    g

    On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, 
    Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

    Donald 
      Sterling has now been banned for life from games and practices by the NBA 
      and fined $2.5 million dollars.  Why? Because he was recorded saying 
      bad things about black people in a PRIVATE conversation he was having with 
      his girlfriend.  One that was very likely recorded illegally. Does 
      this strike anyone here as being over-the-top?  Or am I the only one 
      not on the "OMG! He said bad things about black people!" 
      bandwagon?

I hate that we have become a nation of nattering 
      ninnies.

Paul

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