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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Sue,<br><br>Kudos to you for not knee jerking like so many others when anyone cries 'racism' on a list server. I'm not all that thrilled either about a private conversation being turned into a viral sensation and a public relations nightmare. But there is no way to unring this bell and the NBA needs to protect their billion dollar empire so things just move on to the next phase of issuing the max penalty levied by the NBA (no brainer as Donovan pointed out) and ultimately forcing Sterling to sell the team. I'm guessing that V. Stiviano won't be able to find another billionaire sugar daddy but might be able to land a good size payday for a tell all book. She might also get a pretty penny for posing in a nudie magazine or two.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: suehovey@moscow.com<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 17:56:51 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run amok<br><br>
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<div>Sure, I know that. And Tinker wasn’t a good example for me to use for
that reason. But, I still think the application of the principal is
the same. Now folks are calling it a privacy issue. That’s
interesting. A goodly number are really selective about what constitutes a
right to privacy. If it’s a woman’s right to choose (for example) there is
no right to privacy, they say. </div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:22 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a> </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Sue,<br><br>The First Amendment was implicated in Tinker because
the school board is a state actor. It's not implicated here because the NBA is
not a state actor.<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<br>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:09:39 -0700<br>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Political correctness run amok<br><br>
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<div>But in Tinker v. Des Moines SD the issue was all about 1st Amendment Rights
and did not involve government censorship or prosecution...made clear in the
case...nevertheless the ruling was her first amendment rights “did not stop at
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="scooterd408@hotmail.com" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:50 PM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Donald Sterling's First Amendment rights are fully intact as he's
not facing censorship from the government and he's also not facing prosecution
for what he said in private. Apparently on the same tape, Sterling said 'I
love black people', but the conversation needs to be taking in totality and full
context and not reduced, as usual, to only a few sound bytes that resonate with
Tom Hansen rendering a verdict & decree.<br><br>Also interesting to note is
that the NAACP was planning to give Sterling a 2nd lifetime achievement award on
May 15th. Sterling received his first NAACP award 5 years ago.<br><br><a href="http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/donald-sterling-naacp-award" target="_blank">http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/donald-sterling-naacp-award</a><br><br>All
of this is so...what's the right phrase...black and white?<br><br>-Scott<br>
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<div><br>On Apr 29, 2014, at 3:19 PM, "Sue Hovey" <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>>
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<div>Frankly, I think he’s a “dirty old man” with a great looking young woman
friend, and his prejudices and bigotry extend far beyond what he has just
said. Even so, it would seem to me he has a First Amendment right
to say what he thinks. Not knowing what the bylaws of the NBA say to
this issue, I do wonder how they can ban him from games when he owns the team,
and I imagine the courts will be asked to resolve that issue. If the KKK has a
First Amendment right to march down the streets of American cities (and I
don’t argue they do) then maybe Magic Johnson should just have to “suck it
up.” I believe the First Amendment is precious...and yes, there
are consequences for speech that harms, but we have to be very wary of
consequences for something that is purely speech and not overt behavior, which
is discrimination and often illegal. </div>
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<div>Perhaps the NBA could look into the Cliven Bundy case and remove him from
his ranch just as Sterling has been removed from the Arena. Well maybe
their bylaws don’t extend that far. Damn. </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="rforce2003@yahoo.com" href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">Ron Force</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">Gary Crabtree</a> ; <a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div>
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<div><span>It wasn't just "black people" dude, it was Magic
Johnson!</span></div>
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<div>Ron Force <br>Moscow Idaho USA</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:59 PM, Gary
Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>The guy should be thanking his lucky stars that he wasn't illegally
taped stating that he believed that marriage should be between a man and a
women exclusively. They would be calling for a total confiscation of all his
worldly goods and a summary execution.</div>
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Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="ecxyiv1557467982gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;">Donald
Sterling has now been banned for life from games and practices by the NBA
and fined $2.5 million dollars. Why? Because he was recorded saying
bad things about black people in a PRIVATE conversation he was having with
his girlfriend. One that was very likely recorded illegally. Does
this strike anyone here as being over-the-top? Or am I the only one
not on the "OMG! He said bad things about black people!"
bandwagon?<br><br>I hate that we have become a nation of nattering
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