[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Sat Mar 8 12:59:40 PST 2014

Care to share a link to the Atlantic article you reference, Mr. Crabtree?

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

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> On Mar 8, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure that calling attention to an article in The Atlantic (hardly a bastion of anti-homosexual foment) really qualifies as an attempt to "distort." Since it seems clear that your hysterical response preceded your having actually read the piece in question, allow me to cite:
>  
> " The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian, while another 1.8 percent -- predominantly women -- identify as bisexual. Far from underestimating the ranks of gay people because of homophobia, these figures included a substantial number of people who remained deeply closeted, such as a quarter of the bisexuals. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention survey of women between 22 and 44 that questioned more than 13,500 respondents between 2006 and 2008 found very similar numbers: Only 1 percent of the women identified themselves as gay, while 4 percent identified as bisexual. "
> 
> Do the percentages matter overly much? Not really, but when it comes to numbers I prefer at least a smidgen of reality.
> 
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> g
> 
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>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> Wrong, Gary -- it's only people like you who opt to distort things.  That
>> survey captures ONLY those who *publicly* identify as LGBT:
>> http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx
>> 
>> "As a group still subject to social stigma, many of those who identify as
>> lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender may not be forthcoming about this
>> identity when asked about it in a survey. Therefore, it's likely that some
>> Americans in what is commonly referred to as "the closet" would not be
>> included in the estimates derived from the Gallup interviews. Thus, the 3.4%
>> estimate can best be represented as adult Americans who publicly identify
>> themselves as part of the LGBT community when asked in a survey context."
>> 
>> You know, kind of like inaccurate survey results about masturbation . . . or
>> survey results that report the average size of an unaroused male penis.
>> Sucks to be you.  Or all those surveys that proved . . . PROVED I tell you .
>> . . that marijuana use inevitably lead to harder drug use.
>> 
>> Besides, does it matter whether it's 10%, 5%, 1%, or 0.1% of Americans whose
>> are denied equal protection of the Constitutional?  Not to me, and it better
>> not to someone like you who worships at the 2A alter.  While statistics show
>> that that the number of guns owned per individual has increased (due, IMO,
>> to clear mental illness in the form of paranoia), the percentage of
>> households that own guns has fallen below a majority (I think the 34% +/- 3%
>> stat is likely pretty accurate).  If you don't care that 10% of Americans
>> are denied equal protection, you'd better hope the rest of us don't share
>> your rank hypocrisy and blatant disregard of the entire Constitution.
>> 
>> S
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 12:57 PM
>> To: Scott Dredge
>> Cc: viz
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>> 
>> Nobody buys the old Kinsey report numbers any more. Please see:
>> 
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-h
>> ow-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
>> 
>> g
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The usual 10% or the same as whatever the statistical norm is of the
>> > the broader population unless there is some evidence to show that a
>> > higher proportion of gays are prone to enlisting in the military.
>> > Also, the time frame of Vietnam was the 'era of free love' and some
>> > people who would otherwise have felt pressured by their church and
>> > family to live a heterosexual lifestyle might have simply accepted
>> > that they were born gay given a more 'live and let live' environment
>> > outside areas of the Deep South and Mid-west.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: thansen at moscow.com
>> > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 08:48:23 -0800
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>> >
>> > Of the 58,000+ names engraved on the Vietnam Memorial Wall, how many
>> > would you estimate belong to gay soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines?
>> >
>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> >
>> > "Moscow Cares"
>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
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