[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Sat Mar 8 13:45:04 PST 2014

I did. Scroll down to my original post.

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On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Care to share a link to the Atlantic article you reference, Mr. Crabtree?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure that calling attention to an article in The Atlantic (hardly a
> bastion of anti-homosexual foment) really qualifies as an attempt to
> "distort." Since it seems clear that your hysterical response preceded your
> having actually read the piece in question, allow me to cite:
>
> " The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think
> tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that
> just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian,
> while another 1.8 percent -- predominantly women -- identify as bisexual.
> Far from underestimating the ranks of gay people because of homophobia,
> these figures included a substantial number of people who remained deeply
> closeted, such as a quarter of the bisexuals. A Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention survey of women between 22 and 44 that questioned more than
> 13,500 respondents between 2006 and 2008 found very similar numbers: Only 1
> percent of the women identified themselves as gay, while 4 percent
> identified as bisexual. "
>
> Do the percentages matter overly much? Not really, but when it comes to
> numbers I prefer at least a smidgen of reality.
>
>
> g
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> Wrong, Gary -- it's only people like you who opt to distort things.  That
>> survey captures ONLY those who *publicly* identify as LGBT:
>> http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx
>>
>> "As a group still subject to social stigma, many of those who identify as
>> lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender may not be forthcoming about this
>> identity when asked about it in a survey. Therefore, it's likely that some
>> Americans in what is commonly referred to as "the closet" would not be
>> included in the estimates derived from the Gallup interviews. Thus, the
>> 3.4%
>> estimate can best be represented as adult Americans who publicly identify
>> themselves as part of the LGBT community when asked in a survey context."
>>
>> You know, kind of like inaccurate survey results about masturbation . . .
>> or
>> survey results that report the average size of an unaroused male penis.
>> Sucks to be you.  Or all those surveys that proved . . . PROVED I tell you
>> .
>> . . that marijuana use inevitably lead to harder drug use.
>>
>> Besides, does it matter whether it's 10%, 5%, 1%, or 0.1% of Americans
>> whose
>> are denied equal protection of the Constitutional?  Not to me, and it
>> better
>> not to someone like you who worships at the 2A alter.  While statistics
>> show
>> that that the number of guns owned per individual has increased (due, IMO,
>> to clear mental illness in the form of paranoia), the percentage of
>> households that own guns has fallen below a majority (I think the 34% +/-
>> 3%
>> stat is likely pretty accurate).  If you don't care that 10% of Americans
>> are denied equal protection, you'd better hope the rest of us don't share
>> your rank hypocrisy and blatant disregard of the entire Constitution.
>>
>> S
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 12:57 PM
>> To: Scott Dredge
>> Cc: viz
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>>
>> Nobody buys the old Kinsey report numbers any more. Please see:
>>
>>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-h
>> ow-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
>>
>> g
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The usual 10% or the same as whatever the statistical norm is of the
>> > the broader population unless there is some evidence to show that a
>> > higher proportion of gays are prone to enlisting in the military.
>> > Also, the time frame of Vietnam was the 'era of free love' and some
>> > people who would otherwise have felt pressured by their church and
>> > family to live a heterosexual lifestyle might have simply accepted
>> > that they were born gay given a more 'live and let live' environment
>> > outside areas of the Deep South and Mid-west.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: thansen at moscow.com
>> > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 08:48:23 -0800
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>> >
>> > Of the 58,000+ names engraved on the Vietnam Memorial Wall, how many
>> > would you estimate belong to gay soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines?
>> >
>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> >
>> > "Moscow Cares"
>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
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