[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Sat Mar 8 12:43:51 PST 2014

I'm not sure that calling attention to an article in The Atlantic (hardly a
bastion of anti-homosexual foment) really qualifies as an attempt to
"distort." Since it seems clear that your hysterical response preceded your
having actually read the piece in question, allow me to cite:

" The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, *a gay and lesbian think
tank*, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that
just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian,
while another 1.8 percent -- predominantly women -- identify as bisexual.
Far from underestimating the ranks of gay people because of homophobia, *these
figures included a substantial number of people who remained deeply
closeted*, such as a quarter of the bisexuals. A Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention survey of women between 22 and 44 that questioned
more than 13,500 respondents between 2006 and 2008 found very similar
numbers: Only 1 percent of the women identified themselves as gay, while 4
percent identified as bisexual. "

Do the percentages matter overly much? Not really, but when it comes to
numbers I prefer at least a smidgen of reality.

g

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Wrong, Gary -- it's only people like you who opt to distort things.  That
> survey captures ONLY those who *publicly* identify as LGBT:
> http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx
>
> "As a group still subject to social stigma, many of those who identify as
> lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender may not be forthcoming about this
> identity when asked about it in a survey. Therefore, it's likely that some
> Americans in what is commonly referred to as "the closet" would not be
> included in the estimates derived from the Gallup interviews. Thus, the
> 3.4%
> estimate can best be represented as adult Americans who publicly identify
> themselves as part of the LGBT community when asked in a survey context."
>
> You know, kind of like inaccurate survey results about masturbation . . .
> or
> survey results that report the average size of an unaroused male penis.
> Sucks to be you.  Or all those surveys that proved . . . PROVED I tell you
> .
> . . that marijuana use inevitably lead to harder drug use.
>
> Besides, does it matter whether it's 10%, 5%, 1%, or 0.1% of Americans
> whose
> are denied equal protection of the Constitutional?  Not to me, and it
> better
> not to someone like you who worships at the 2A alter.  While statistics
> show
> that that the number of guns owned per individual has increased (due, IMO,
> to clear mental illness in the form of paranoia), the percentage of
> households that own guns has fallen below a majority (I think the 34% +/-
> 3%
> stat is likely pretty accurate).  If you don't care that 10% of Americans
> are denied equal protection, you'd better hope the rest of us don't share
> your rank hypocrisy and blatant disregard of the entire Constitution.
>
> S
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 12:57 PM
> To: Scott Dredge
> Cc: viz
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>
> Nobody buys the old Kinsey report numbers any more. Please see:
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-h
> ow-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
>
> g
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The usual 10% or the same as whatever the statistical norm is of the
> > the broader population unless there is some evidence to show that a
> > higher proportion of gays are prone to enlisting in the military.
> > Also, the time frame of Vietnam was the 'era of free love' and some
> > people who would otherwise have felt pressured by their church and
> > family to live a heterosexual lifestyle might have simply accepted
> > that they were born gay given a more 'live and let live' environment
> > outside areas of the Deep South and Mid-west.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: thansen at moscow.com
> > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 08:48:23 -0800
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
> >
> > Of the 58,000+ names engraved on the Vietnam Memorial Wall, how many
> > would you estimate belong to gay soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines?
> >
> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> > "Moscow Cares"
> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
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