[Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police chiefs

[Paul Rumelhart]

I'm not saying that it should be unconditional, just that there should 
be a really good reason to go against the wording of the amendment in 
this way.  It's the same argument about the first amendment and yelling 
"fire" in a crowded theater.

I guess I'm arguing that we need to heed the Constitution more. 
Amendments 1, 2, 4, and 5 seem to be under heavy fire, so to speak, and 
we (in my opinion) need to start looking to the spirit of the text and 
not just the letter of it.

We have "free speech zones", attempted gun bans, the balls-to-the-wall 
hoovering of all of our online data, and assassination-by-drone 
programs.  It's got to stop somewhere, and holding to the Constitution 
seems to me to be vital if we're going to turn this around.  Without the 
Constitution, there is no nation anymore.  Just a bunch of thugs 
wielding power.  It may already be too late.

Paul

On 02/18/2014 08:17 PM, Sunil wrote:
> Paul,
>
> If the Constitutional amendment specifically forbids such a thing, 
> that prohibition must be absolute.
>
> You have made statements along this line before. I continue to wonder 
> why.
>
> Why is the right to bear arms unconditional? Are you really saying the 
> state shall not restrict that right in any way? Is this your opinion 
> or is it factually correct?
>
> Sunil
>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:04:33 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: dickow at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city 
> police chiefs
>
> I would like to make a couple of points about this bill.
>
> First, I have no doubt that police chiefs all across the country would 
> love it if everyone were unarmed and they had an effective monopoly on 
> the use of force. That doesn't mean that it's best for you and I.
>
> Second, the question shouldn't be "should we allow guns on campus", it 
> should be "is the situation on campus dire enough that we should 
> infringe upon the right to bear arms despite their being a 
> Constitutional amendment specifically forbidding such a thing"?
>
> I haven't seen any arguments yet convincing me of that. Just a bunch 
> of frat boy jokes.
>
> Paul
>
>
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> *From: * Robert Dickow <dickow at turbonet.com>;
> *To: * 'Moscow Vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
> *Subject: * Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city 
> police chiefs
> *Sent: * Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:40:23 PM
>
> Concerning SB 1254, I think we should try the economic argument 
> against adoption. Just tell your congresspersons that the State of 
> Idaho cannot afford the huge costs associated with the passage of this 
> bill. It could cost millions to supply all the teachers, professors, 
> staffers and campus visitors with the Kevlar vests that we will demand 
> having in order to protect ourselves.
>
> Bob Dickow, troublemaker
>
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>
>
>   Masterson: 'Why a police leader feels compelled to take his message
>   directly to the people'
>   <http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2014/feb/16/masterson-why-police-leader-feels-compelled-take-his-message-directly-people/>
>
> Boise Police Chief Mike Masterson has sent out a guest opinion, 
> entitled, "Why a police leader feels compelled to take his message 
> directly to the people," urging Idaho citizens to contact their 
> legislators about SB 1254, the bill to allow guns on Idaho's public 
> college campuses, where they're now banned. Masterson says he and 
> three other police chiefs were blocked from
> <snip>...
>
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