[Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police chiefs
Scott Dredge
scooterd408 at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 20 01:42:32 PST 2014
College presidents and police chiefs are against this bill Paul. IMO, there was a ban in place and if it's unconstitutional then it should be challenged in court and struck down as such. If the ban can withstand a constitutional challenge, then that should satisfy everyone including you if you're really the champion of the constitution as you claim to be.
What's puzzling to me, and admittedly I haven't looked deeply into this issue, is why the Idaho legislature is pursing this angle at all? It doesn't seem as they're being lobbied by college students for this bill. It seems to me that they're just poking their fingers in the eyes of the liberal elites in higher education for no good reason.
The Idaho Senate approve the bill and now it moves on to the House:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/feb/19/idaho-senate-oks-bill-to-allow-guns-on-cus/
Once it passes it'll be interesting to see what the next move is for the universities. I'd guess that they could still have a policy against guns on campus and that anyone carrying could face expulsion. I'd also guess that policy in itself would not be determined to be constitutional (or not) unless it was enforced upon someone and that someone filed a lawsuit against the university.
-Scott
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:27:46 -0800
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police chiefs
I'm not saying that it should be unconditional, just that there
should be a really good reason to go against the wording of the
amendment in this way. It's the same argument about the first
amendment and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
I guess I'm arguing that we need to heed the Constitution more.
Amendments 1, 2, 4, and 5 seem to be under heavy fire, so to
speak, and we (in my opinion) need to start looking to the spirit
of the text and not just the letter of it.
We have "free speech zones", attempted gun bans, the
balls-to-the-wall hoovering of all of our online data, and
assassination-by-drone programs. It's got to stop somewhere, and
holding to the Constitution seems to me to be vital if we're going
to turn this around. Without the Constitution, there is no nation
anymore. Just a bunch of thugs wielding power. It may already be
too late.
Paul
On 02/18/2014 08:17 PM, Sunil wrote:
Paul,
If the Constitutional amendment specifically forbids such a
thing, that prohibition must be absolute.
You have made statements along this line before. I continue to
wonder why.
Why is the right to bear arms unconditional? Are you really
saying the state shall not restrict that right in any way? Is
this your opinion or is it factually correct?
Sunil
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:04:33 -0800
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: dickow at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's
city police chiefs
I would like to make a couple of points
about this bill.
First, I have no doubt that police chiefs
all across the country would love it if everyone
were unarmed and they had an effective monopoly on
the use of force. That doesn't mean that it's best
for you and I.
Second, the question shouldn't be "should
we allow guns on campus", it should be "is the
situation on campus dire enough that we should
infringe upon the right to bear arms despite their
being a Constitutional amendment specifically
forbidding such a thing"?
I haven't seen any arguments yet
convincing me of that. Just a bunch of frat boy
jokes.
Paul
From:
Robert Dickow <dickow at turbonet.com>;
To:
'Moscow Vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's
city police chiefs
Sent:
Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:40:23 PM
Concerning SB
1254, I think we should try the economic
argument against adoption. Just tell
your congresspersons that the State of
Idaho cannot afford the huge costs
associated with the passage of this
bill. It could cost millions to supply
all the teachers, professors, staffers
and campus visitors with the Kevlar
vests that we will demand having in
order to protect ourselves.
Bob Dickow,
troublemaker
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Masterson:
‘Why a police leader feels
compelled to take his message
directly to the people’
Boise Police Chief Mike
Masterson has sent out a guest opinion,
entitled, “Why a police leader feels
compelled to take his message directly to
the people,” urging Idaho citizens to
contact their legislators about SB 1254,
the bill to allow guns on Idaho's public
college campuses, where they're now
banned. Masterson says he and three other
police chiefs were blocked from
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