[Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name

Mon Aug 4 06:15:41 PDT 2014

Debi,

So is that the standard to ignore an agreement the rest of us made? Or does it excuse some of the things he posts?

I am not trying to drive him away. I would like to see him follow the rules the rest of us try to follow out of consideration for this community. 

I appreciate the good things he does in the community, but I don't view that as a license to do anything he feels like doing.

Sunil

From: debismith at moscow.com
To: keim153 at gmail.com; lfalen at turbonet.com
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:32:19 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name

Well, if ya'll have something to say, I suggest you 
say it. Tom posts community news, national info, and international info. You all 
never post unless you are hammering Tom.  Tom puts his money 
where his mouth is, supports local causes, and keeps the 
community informed. And you did F---ing what? Beat up Tom? Whoohoo for 
you....Until you all do the community service with the $$ to back it, I'm 
thinking you might just shut the ghekll up! Just sayin',,,Maybe I'm not aware of 
your contributions to the food bank, your assistance with diversity initiatives, 
your presence and filming at community events. I may not have seen you at 
local art shows, at food collection points, at anti- or-pro whatever protests, 
but Tom was there. At all of them. If he wants to post 290 times per day, so be 
it....you all don't post unless it is a response to Tom. Get a clue, dudes. 
It's so easy to lash back, but it is difficult to make a reasoned argument when 
faced with the facts Tom posts. 

Perhaps he can consolidate his posts, and perhaps 
some are too cute to appeal to you----you are grown-ups. Delete is an option.Get 
over yourself, post something substantial, be grown-ups for a minute! 

Tired of you Ninny Teas!  Who pours? The most 
"put out Ninny" of the "Tea Party"? Stop being assine if you want some 
credibility. Words too big for you? How about "Just Shut until up you have 
ANYTHING of substance to say, you Bozos"?

Rant done...
Debi R-S

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Darrell Keim 

  To: lfalen 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:05 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: 
  Change Listserv Name

  That s been my general policy, Roger.  9 posts before 
  9am?  C'mon!  This is not Tom's personal blog. Many of his posts 
  would be perfect Facebook fodder-which he uses comparatively little.

  On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

    I have not checked the vision for a couple  of 
    days, so have missed  some of this discussion. Granted Tom posts a lot, 
    but if you are not interested just delete them. I delete most of the Farmers 
    Market, Human Toll, and Christ Church Posts. I am hit and miss on Caturday. 
    It depends on how much time I have. But in general like the posts. As a 
    member of FIRE I advocate a free and open discussion. I post things from The 
    Smithsonian, Scientific American, Discover Magazine, National Geographic, 
    White Pine Native Plant Society, Stuff from Nutrition Publications and 
    Food Safety. They are probably not of interest to lot of people. Hopefully 
    they are to some. Use the delete key if you aren't interested

    Roger

      -----Original Message-----
From: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
To: "Darrell Keim" <keim153 at gmail.com>, 
      vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: 08/02/14 
      11:51
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name

      Good 
      topic to bring up - thanks, Darrell!

      Well, 
      that's one proposal.

      My 
      proposal is that we all get back to honoring the idea of limiting our 
      posts to three per day. Given the fact that there was a day in July when I 
      myself didn't honor that, I realize I'm at risk of someone bringing an 
      analogy about the pots & kettles to my attention 
      <g>.

      However, 
      the "try to limit your posts to three a day" has, for the most part, 
      worked for years & years & years, and my hope is that it will work 
      again because I'm attached to this name!

      I 
      could be wrong, but I don't think most folks mind when individuals 
      occasionally go over three posts a day when actually engaged in an 
      active discussion, particularly about local issues. I also think folks are 
      more tolerant when infrequent posters engage in actual discussions go over 
      three posts in a day, whether about local issues or not.

      BTW, 
      something I really miss are the discussions about local 
      issues. Over time, they have become fewer and further between here, it 
      seems to me. I know for me personally, I don't bring up many local issues 
      anymore since I no longer subscribe to a local newspaper, so I'd 
      appreciate learning about local issues I might otherwise be unaware of 
      from discussion here.

      I 
      think keeping to three posts a day should be something relatively simple 
      to do, too. Since Darrell brought up Tom's posts, I took a look and Tom 
      could pretty easily just combine things into one post. For instance, the 
      three Farmer's Market posts today could have been combined into one, and 
      the three mp3 posts could have been combined into one, yes?

      So, 
      that's my vote: let's get back to trying to keep our posts to three per 
      day.

      Saundra 
      Lund
      Moscow, 
      ID

      Compassion 
      is the basis of all morality.
      ~ 
      Arthur Schopenhuaer

       From: 
      vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of 
      Darrell Keim
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 10:41 
      AM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] 
      Proposal: Change Listserv Name 

      I opened up my email this morning at 9am to 8 emails 
      from Tom Hansen. 

      And the day is just getting 
started. 

      This made me curious.  How much does Tom 
      post?  So I looked at yesterday: 7 emails.  Thursday: 8 
      emails.  I stopped there.

      In light of this, I propose a name change.  
      Instead of "Moscow Vision 2020" I propose "Hansen's Moscow 
      24/7."

      All in 
      favor?  

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