[Vision2020] Poachers

Kai Eiselein fotopro63 at hotmail.com
Sat Apr 19 13:08:52 PDT 2014


I travel all over north central Idaho, including Elk City, Riggins, Potlatch, Weippe and Stites distributing food to those in need.

I see the face of hunger every week and I understand why someone would poach. 

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> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:58:43 -0700 
> From: rhayes at frontier.com 
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> Subject: [Vision2020] Poachers 
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> I have been around in the woods and back country long enough to know  
> why and who shoots at anything moving on four legs. And it usually  
> isn't about putting food on the table. 
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> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:54:00 -0700 
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com<mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> 
> To: Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>> 
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>"  
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] North Idaho Poachers Taking Heavy Toll On 
>      Game 
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> And if the U.S. Congress terminates a person's food stamps and refuses  
> to extend their unemployment? 
>  
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . . 
>  
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on) 
> http://www.moscowcares.com/ 
>  
> Tom Hansen 
> Moscow, Idaho 
>  
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still. 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill, 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill." 
>  
> - John Lennon 
>  
>  
> > On Apr 19, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Kai Eiselein  
> <fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>> wrote: 
> > 
> > If someone is getting unemployment and/or food stamps, I'd say that's  
> a pretty good indication of necessity and would pretty easy to verify. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________ 
> >> From: thansen at moscow.com<mailto:thansen at moscow.com> 
> >> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:01:50 -0700 
> >> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com<mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> 
> >> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] North Idaho Poachers Taking Heavy Toll On Game 
> >> 
> >> Then . . . 
> >> 
> >> What about the indigent person who poaches elk/deer for the cash value 
> >> of the racks . . . using the "revenue" to purchase food? 
> >> 
> >> And, if the law is modified such that indigant people can't even be 
> >> charged with the crime of poaching, what is to stop the more 
> >> financially-secure poacher from copping the "I am indigent and only 
> >> sell the elk/deer racks to put food on my family's dinner table" plea? 
> >> 
> >> If the financial stability of the perp is the determing factor in 
> >> whether or not the above cop-out plea may be applied, at what amount of 
> >> financial worth is the line drawn? 
> >> 
> >> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . . 
> >> 
> >> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on) 
> >> http://www.moscowcares.com/<http://www.moscowcares.com/> 
> >> 
> >> Tom Hansen 
> >> Moscow, Idaho 
> >> 
> >> "There's room at the top they are telling you still. 
> >> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill, 
> >> If you want to be like the folks on the hill." 
> >> 
> >> - John Lennon 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Sunil 
> >>  
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com<mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com><mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com<mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>>> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Kai, 
> >> 
> >> I say 'yes,' the person feeding his family should be treated 
> >> differently, and it should start with the law itself. It should provide 
> >> for different treatments, or perhaps create a necessity exception that 
> >> would excuse the first person in your example. Since judges will vary 
> >> widely on the punishment end, to argue mercy should be provided there 
> >> is to live in Dreamland. 
> >> 
> >> Juries generally don't assess punishments, except for the death 
> >> penalty. Their verdicts may create sentencing ranges, depending on the 
> >> charges, or they can acquit. 
> >> 
> >> Tom says, 'Where the "trophy poacher" may be sentenced to some jail 
> >> time and a heavy fine, the indigent person may be sentenced to a short 
> >> term of probation.' 
> >> 
> >> I think the positions are more likely to be reversed in the real world. 
> >> 
> >> Sunil 
> >> 
> >> ________________________________ 
> >> From:  
> thansen at moscow.com<mailto:thansen at moscow.com><mailto:thansen at moscow.com<mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> 
> >> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:19:49 -0700 
> >> To:  
> fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com><mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>> 
> >> CC:  
> vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com><mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>> 
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] North Idaho Poachers Taking Heavy Toll On Game 
> >> 
> >> Kai Eiselein suggests: 
> >> 
> >> "Let's say a person is unemployed and needs to feed his/family poaches 
> >> a deer or an elk for food, should that person be treated the same as a 
> >> trophy or money poacher who only takes the rack, hide or parts that 
> >> have cash value?" 
> >> 
> >> As much as I hate to say this, Mr. Eiselein . . . 
> >> 
> >> Yes.  A law is only as strong as the people who enforce it. 
> >> 
> >> In both cases, "trophy poachers" (who take the elk/deer racks for their 
> >> cash value) and indigent people (who are striving to put food on the 
> >> dinner table), are guilty of the crime of poaching. 
> >> 
> >> The individual reason for poaching may be presented during the judicial 
> >> process.  At which time the judge or jury may impose punishment 
> >> commensurate with the motivation behind committing the crime.  In 
> >> military courts-martial, that portion of the judicial pricess is 
> >> referred to as "presentation of matters in extenuation and mitigation". 
> >>  Where the "trophy poacher" may be sentenced to some jail time and a 
> >> heavy fine, the indigent person may be sentenced to a short term of 
> >> probation. 
> >> 
> >> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . . 
> >> 
> >> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on) 
> >> http://www.moscowcares.com/<http://www.moscowcares.com/> 
> >> 
> >> Tom Hansen 
> >> Moscow, Idaho 
> >> 
> >> "There's room at the top they are telling you still. 
> >> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill, 
> >> If you want to be like the folks on the hill." 
> >> 
> >> - John Lennon 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Kai Eiselein 
> >>  
> <fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com><mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>>>  
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Let's say a person is unemployed and needs to feed his/family poaches a 
> >> deer or an elk for food, should that person be treated the same as a 
> >> trophy or money poacher who only takes the rack, hide or parts that 
> >> have cash value? 
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> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:25:02 -0700 
> From: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm<mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>> 
> To: "'Kai Eiselein'"  
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] North Idaho Poachers Taking Heavy Toll On 
>      Game 
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> Before I can participate in your interesting moral question, I need you to 
> clarify for me:  are you asking about those "lazy" unemployed & "welfare 
> queens" the GOP & tea baggers are so quick to attack, cut off at the knees, 
> and leave hanging out to dry? 
>  
> Or, are you talking about anyone who is unemployed for any reason 
> whatsoever, including the families with children where an adult is an 
> undocumented immigrant? 
>  
> Looking forward to your clarification! 
>  
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Kai Eiselein  
> [mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:33 AM 
> To: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] North Idaho Poachers Taking Heavy Toll On Game 
>  
> This also brings up an interesting moral question. 
>  
> Let's say a person is unemployed and needs to feed his/family poaches a deer 
> or an elk for food, should that person be treated the same as a trophy or 
> money poacher who only takes the rack, hide or parts that have cash value? 
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> > From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm<mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> 
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:23:12 -0700 
> > Subject: [Vision2020] North Idaho Poachers Taking Heavy Toll On Game 
> > 
> > If anyone can post the LMT article referenced, I'm sure I'm not the 
> > only one who would appreciate it. It seems to me our tax dollars would 
> > be far, far better spent hunting down these damn poachers than caving 
> > to the paranoia of the mentally unhinged "big bad wolf" crowd. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://boisestatepublicradio.org/post/north-idaho-poachers-taking-heav 
> > y-toll 
> > -game 
> > 
> > North Idaho Poachers Taking Heavy Toll On Game 
> > 
> > State wildlife officials in northern Idaho say poachers are killing 
> > far more game animals than wolves. 
> > 
> > Officials tell the Lewiston Tribune that last year in northern Idaho 
> > they confirmed poaching of 30 elk, four moose, 13 mule deer and 57 
> > whitetail deer. 
> > 
> > Officials say a realistic detection rate is 5 percent, meaning 
> > poachers are likely killing about 600 elk, 80 moose, 260 mule deer and 
> 1,000 whitetail. 
> > 
> > Idaho Fish and Game District Conservation Officer Barry Cummings says 
> > many people don't report wildlife crimes because they don't consider 
> > it a crime against them. 
> > 
> > The fine in Idaho for illegally killing an elk is $750, while the fine 
> > for illegally killing a moose is $10,000. 
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