[Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption

Fri Sep 6 16:39:38 PDT 2013

Hi Donovan,

We mostly agree about things but I have to ask if you really intended to be so globally critical of lawyers?  Every profession/occupation has jackasses – but that is not the whole picture.  There are many heroes and heroines who show up every day (for crappy pay) to defend challenging clients in Idaho.  They do it because they believe in justice not because they are corrupt.  The odds are stacked against them in many places in Idaho – the state funds all the prosecutor offices and pays staff salaries, provides law libraries etc.  Few counties in Idaho fund an office and staff for the P.D.’s .  Latah does not.  I don’t know if it is still the case locally but it used to be a low bid contract – and the P.D.s made incredible personal sacrifices and carried huge case loads to provide counsel to indigent clients.  And, yes, I do have a personal connection to a former public defender.  But, the nights and weekends she worked after a ten hour work day give lie to the words that lawyers don’t care about justice.      Some may not, but we have many honorable local attorneys, some of whom appear regularly on this chat group.  They are a credit to their profession and a blessing to their clients.

Best,

Rose

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:14 PM
To: Sunil Ramalingam
Cc: vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption

Sunil,

 The best defense against a lie is to always tell the truth. Anything you say or do online or over a cell phone may be used against you in a court of law. There is a reason the United States has the most people in prison, it doesn't care about protections of the people. Everything is 100% about profit for a corporation. Our politicians and legal system is just as corrupted and crooked as it has ever been. Lawyers don't care about justice, and politicians don't care about the people they were elected to protect and act in their trust. So, really, it doesn't matter if evidence is obtained illegally or legally if the rest of the legal and political system is also contaminated. 

Lawyers need to work for Justice, not a profit. Politicians need to work for the People, not the Corporations. Because truly, without this, there will be no observance of the Constitution and the protections of individual rights. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: 
Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption

Scott,You've suggested before that you weren't very concerned about the NSA revelations because we have constitutional protections that would prevent illegally obtained evidence from being used against us. (Yes, I'm paraphrasing, but I believe that was the gist of your position. Please correct as necessary.) Anyway, I'm wondering if you saw this story when it came out last month:http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE9761AZ20130808The DEA has lied in cases and created a false story about how it obtained evidence, hiding how they actually, illegally obtained information.How are we to depend on our constitutional protections if the government does this?Sunil

From: scooterd408 at hotmail.comTo: godshatter at yahoo.com; rforce2003 at yahoo.comDate: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:17:59 -0600CC: vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption 

I recall several years ago Paul Harvey had a story about a free ware program called PGP which stood for Pretty Good Protection that government didn't like because they couldn't easily crack it and it violated some national security law (ironic isn't it?).  I think it would be difficult for anyone or any group to stymie the NSA on this front.  They just have too many resources and employ too many sharp cookies that thrive on decrypting the most difficult and world class encryption schemes.  The best bet might be to just try and fall back on whatever Constitutional protections are available such as the 4th Amendment.  That might help from being criminally convicted of wrong doing, but wouldn't necessarily protect against private information becoming public.

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:58:52 -0700From: godshatter at yahoo.comTo: rforce2003 at yahoo.comCC: vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption 

You've hit the nail on the head.  Nobody cares.  That's exactly the problem.  Well done, sir. Paul On 09/05/2013 05:08 PM, Ron Force wrote: 

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From: Scott Dredge mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 4:01 PM
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:53:33 -0700 From: godshatter at yahoo.com To: art.deco.studios at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption 

I wonder if Mr. Hansen still thinks I'm being paranoid about my online privacy. Paul 

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The National Security Agency is winning its long-running secret war on encryption, using supercomputers, technical trickery, court orders and behind-the-scenes persuasion to undermine the major tools protecting the privacy of everyday communications in the Internet age, according to newly disclosed documents.

The agency has circumvented or cracked much of the encryption, or digital scrambling, that guards global commerce and banking systems, protects sensitive data like trade secrets and medical records, and automatically secures the e-mails, Web searches, Internet chats and phone calls of Americans and others around the world, the documents show.

Many users assume — or have been assured by Internet companies — that their data is safe from prying eyes, including those of the government, and the N.S.A. wants to keep it that way. The agency treats its recent successes in deciphering protected information as among its most closely guarded secrets, restricted to those cleared for a highly classified program code-named Bullrun, according to the documents, provided by Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor.

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