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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Donovan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We mostly agree about things but I have to ask if you really intended to be so globally critical of lawyers? Every profession/occupation has jackasses – but that is not the whole picture. There are many heroes and heroines who show up every day (for crappy pay) to defend challenging clients in Idaho. They do it because they believe in justice not because they are corrupt. The odds are stacked against them in many places in Idaho – the state funds all the prosecutor offices and pays staff salaries, provides law libraries etc. Few counties in Idaho fund an office and staff for the P.D.’s . Latah does not. I don’t know if it is still the case locally but it used to be a low bid contract – and the P.D.s made incredible personal sacrifices and carried huge case loads to provide counsel to indigent clients. And, yes, I do have a personal connection to a former public defender. But, the nights and weekends she worked after a ten hour work day give lie to the words that lawyers don’t care about justice. Some may not, but we have many honorable local attorneys, some of whom appear regularly on this chat group. They are a credit to their profession and a blessing to their clients.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rose<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 06, 2013 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Sunil Ramalingam<br><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Sunil,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>The best defense against a lie is to always tell the truth. Anything you say or do online or over a cell phone may be used against you in a court of law. There is a reason the United States has the most people in prison, it doesn't care about protections of the people. Everything is 100% about profit for a corporation. Our politicians and legal system is just as corrupted and crooked as it has ever been. Lawyers don't care about justice, and politicians don't care about the people they were elected to protect and act in their trust. </span><span style='color:black'>So, really, it doesn't matter if evidence is obtained illegally or legally if the rest of the legal and political system is also contaminated. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Lawyers need to work for Justice, not a profit. Politicians need to work for the People, not the Corporations. Because truly, without this, there will be no observance of the Constitution and the protections of individual rights. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Donovan J. Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br><b>To:</b> <br><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 6, 2013 6:23 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv0107947512><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Scott,You've suggested before that you weren't very concerned about the NSA revelations because we have constitutional protections that would prevent illegally obtained evidence from being used against us. (Yes, I'm paraphrasing, but I believe that was the gist of your position. Please correct as necessary.) Anyway, I'm wondering if you saw this story when it came out last month:<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE9761AZ20130808" target="_blank">http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE9761AZ20130808</a>The DEA has lied in cases and created a false story about how it obtained evidence, hiding how they actually, illegally obtained information.How are we to depend on our constitutional protections if the government does this?Sunil<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>From: scooterd408@hotmail.comTo: godshatter@yahoo.com; rforce2003@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:17:59 -0600CC: vision2020@moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I recall several years ago Paul Harvey had a story about a free ware program called PGP which stood for Pretty Good Protection that government didn't like because they couldn't easily crack it and it violated some national security law (ironic isn't it?). I think it would be difficult for anyone or any group to stymie the NSA on this front. They just have too many resources and employ too many sharp cookies that thrive on decrypting the most difficult and world class encryption schemes. The best bet might be to just try and fall back on whatever Constitutional protections are available such as the 4th Amendment. That might help from being criminally convicted of wrong doing, but wouldn't necessarily protect against private information becoming public.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:58:52 -0700From: godshatter@yahoo.comTo: rforce2003@yahoo.comCC: vision2020@moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>You've hit the nail on the head. Nobody cares. That's exactly the problem. Well done, sir. Paul On 09/05/2013 05:08 PM, Ron Force wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>This one?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <b>Error! Filename not specified.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho USA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Scott Dredge <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>; Art Deco <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; viz <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 5, 2013 4:01 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv0107947512ecxyiv1737088140><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>It'll be obvious by whatever cartoon is posted. <span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><img border=0 width=100 height=100 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:~WRD000.jpg" alt="Image removed by sender. Emoji"></span><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:53:33 -0700 From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a> To: <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I wonder if Mr. Hansen still thinks I'm being paranoid about my online privacy. Paul <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Art Deco <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 5, 2013 12:54 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] N.S.A. 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Foils Much Internet Encryption</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0in 9.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#333333'>The National Security Agency is winning its long-running secret war on encryption, using supercomputers, technical trickery, court orders and behind-the-scenes persuasion to undermine the major tools protecting the privacy of everyday communications in the Internet age, according to newly disclosed documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0in 9.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#333333'>The agency has circumvented or cracked much of the encryption, or digital scrambling, that guards global commerce and banking systems, protects sensitive data like trade secrets and medical records, and automatically secures the e-mails, Web searches, Internet chats and phone calls of Americans and others around the world, the documents show.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0in 9.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#333333'>Many users assume — or have been assured by Internet companies — that their data is safe from prying eyes, including those of the government, and the N.S.A. wants to keep it that way. The agency treats its recent successes in deciphering protected information as among its most closely guarded secrets, restricted to those cleared for a highly classified program code-named Bullrun, according to the documents, provided by Edward J. 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